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Old 08-20-2007, 12:22 PM
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OBAMA: I think Joe is right on the issue of how long this is
going to take. This is not going to be a simple operation. I think
Senator Clinton laid out some of the challenges that were out there.
I agree with John Edwards that all of us on this stage I think would
begin to bring this war to an end.

I think we also can all agree that it's going to be messy, that
there are no good options.


OBAMA: There are only bad options and worse options, and we're
going to have to exercise judgment in terms of how we execute this.
But the thing I wish had happened was that all the people on this
stage had asked these questions before they authorized us getting in.
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Old 08-20-2007, 12:23 PM
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KUCINICH: We can talk about George Bush driving a bus into a
ditch, but let's not forget there was a Democratic Senate in charge
that OK'ed the war. And those senators who are up on this stage
helped to authorize that war and they have to take responsibility for
that.

Likewise, they have to take responsibility for funding the war.
You say you're opposed to it, but you keep funding it.

I think the American people have to look at that and ask, What's
going on?

Now, I've had a plan on the table for four years to get out of
Iraq, and Democrats in Congress have to stand up to the pledge they
made in 2006 to take us out of that war. They have to tell the
president now, "Bring the troops home. We're not going to give you
any more money for that war."


KUCINICH: The American people have a right to expect that we're
going to take a new direction. But, frankly, you cannot expect a new
direction with the same kind of thinking that took us into war in the
first place.

We cannot leave more troops there. We cannot privatize Iraq's
oil. We cannot partition that country and expect there's going to be
peace.

We need a president who understands that, one who's been right
from the start, and one who has shown the judgment, the wisdom, and
the maturity to take the right stand at the time that it counted most,
when the American people needed someone to stand up. And I'm the one
who did that.
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Old 08-22-2007, 10:02 PM
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August 22, 2007
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Democrats Miscalculate On Iraq



Democrats figured that the August recess would give them plenty of opportunity to raise the heat on Republicans to force a withdrawal date from Iraq. They could return to their home districts, stoke some demonstrations, and return with new momentum after Labor Day to push for retreat. Unfortunately, events have intervened, and now Democrats have to regroup to avoid looking like defeatists while the military effort has started producing successes:

Democratic leaders in Congress had planned to use August recess to raise the heat on Republicans to break with President Bush on the Iraq war. Instead, Democrats have been forced to recalibrate their own message in the face of recent positive signs on the security front, increasingly focusing their criticisms on what those military gains have not achieved: reconciliation among Iraq's diverse political factions.

nd now the Democrats, along with wavering Republicans, will face an advertising blitz from Bush supporters determined to remain on offense. A new pressure group, Freedom's Watch, will unveil a month-long, $15 million television, radio and grass-roots campaign today designed to shore up support for Bush's policies before the commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, Army Gen. David H. Petraeus, lays out a White House assessment of the war's progress. The first installment of Petraeus's testimony is scheduled to be delivered before the House Armed Services and Foreign Affairs committees on the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, a fact both the administration and congressional Democrats say is simply a scheduling coincidence.

The leading Democratic candidates for the White House have fallen into line with the campaign to praise military progress while excoriating Iraqi leaders for their unwillingness to reach political accommodations that could end the sectarian warfare.

The Democrats have been outmanuevered again on Iraq. Earlier this year, they took 108 days to come up with a funding formula that wouldn't get vetoed by the Bush administration, thinking that they could dictate terms to the White House. They found out, as the Republicans did in 1995, that Presidents are never irrelevant. He played "chicken" better than the Democrats, who swerved rather than allowing funds to run out on the troops, and gave Bush what he wanted in May.

It looks like September will bring more swerving. Even leading Democrats acknowledge that Petraeus has produced some stunning successes in Anbar and Diyala. Most people considered Anbar a lost cause, but Petraeus and his forces have freed the province of its terrorist oppressors and created a political movement of Iraqi unity called Anbar Awakening, which continues to spread. Barack Obama suggested yesterday that Baghdad could use another 30,000 troops.

Now that their predictions of military failure have have died, the Democrats want to focus on the lack of political reform as a reason to leave. In January, they talked about how futile it was to play "whack-a-mole" when terrorists would simply move back and forth, and that the American and Iraqi forces could not clear and hold territory. Since that's been proven wrong, they now claim that the current Iraqi government cannot possibly institute the reforms Congress demands, such as oil revenue sharing and the forgiveness of former Ba'athists. Unless Iraq succeeds in these reforms as a sign of unity, we should withdraw, the argument will go.

That case appears weaker and weaker, however. Nouri al-Maliki has used the National Assembly recess to bypass his Shi'ite allies and start negotiations with Sunni tribal chiefs in Tikrit, the heart of Sunni resistance to his government. He negotiated cooperative agreements between the Kurds and the Shi'ite Islamic Council, the opponent of Maliki's former ally, Moqtada al-Sadr. Sadr's divisive influence has dramatically waned over the last few months -- and that started with the surge in February, when Sadr hotfooted it to Iran.

Will the Democrats demand on withdrawal and the catastrophic collapse that will follow, simply to defend the job rights of former Saddam Hussein apparatchiks and the divsion of oil profits?

Even those who still insist on firm timetables question the Democratic leadership's strategy. Jerry McNerney (D-CA) says that the inflexible and confrontational approach taken by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid has made it impossible to work with Republicans in Congress and the White House. Rather than asking the generals what they need, Congress has tried to dictate limits -- and lost. "I don't know what they're thinking," McNerney said to the Post about the leadership.

That's not true at all. Everyone knows what they're thinking. If they get outmanuevered again, the Democrats will catch hell from the activist base of their party and likely wind up losing the House to the Republicans in 2008. They can't afford to work cooperatively with the people Pelosi and Reid have successfully demonized with their voters, or they will look like complete hypocrites. That's the wages of demagoguery, and payday's coming in September.
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