Sun Tzu Art of War

HuffDawg · #21 (**permalink**) 06-28-2006, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OkhamsRazor

What's wrong with removing governments from power without provocation? IT"S ILLEGAL! THEY ARE SOVEREIGN! IT GOES AGAINST OUR OWN LAWS, PRINCIPLES AND INTERNATIONAL LAW! Just because we are the biggest bully in town, doesn't mean it's not wrong because there is no one to stop us. I'm not defending Iran or anyone else, I am defending the principle of sovereignty. There is no reason to believe that our own justifications won't at some point in the future be used against us. Without Sovereignty, there is no point in having borders. We have every right in the world to defend ourselves, but we have no right to judge throw the first punch. None more than I have in going to your school and yanking you out of class for being a potential danger to someone else's kids world view. Or bursting into my neighbors house and informing him that I'm taking his property because I don't like the way he maintains or uses it.

What about invading to uphold the UN resolutions that Saddam obviously didn't abide by? Just curious. I thought that there was reason to at least have some sort of military action (not necessarily invade), in response to that.

HuffDawg · #22 (**permalink**) 06-28-2006, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bloke next door

Japan fought its battles to the death. Read any of the farewell notes,(poems) by some of their more revered Generals who discuss with their children or others how this day will leave them bloody on a battle field or decapitated out of respect. You talk of war as though your own soldiers are ready to die and they are not. They would prefer to survive the days events, this puts you behind the enemy who have nirvana to reach however misguided their belief is. You want to know how to fight, win or understand a war get the view of a peasant who lives in the middle, they will no more than any tactician or expert. The Jews of Palestine, have put on their boots and loaded their weapons, what comes there way is their own doing but we are to blame for it. Following WWII, we allowed them the land that they call Isreal when it wasn't ours to give. Just like the French thinking that Vietnam was theirs, so for two wars we learnt nothing but how to create a war, Sun Tzu could learn from us the "Art Of War".

Bloke, you should know your history. The Jews and Palestinians are not that far off ethnically. They both originated form the same area. The Jews were in the area back to biblical times long before Muhamed and Muslims were around. The Jews already held the areas sacred and holy. Thats why they both hold the same areas sacred.

BARK · #23 (**permalink**) 06-28-2006, 04:23 PM

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This nonsense again? Iraq. Violates 17 UN resolutions and doesn't disclose its information to us. They had proven to be a threat in the past. Remember the Gulf War? It was up to Saddam to play nice and he didn't. The Taliban, supported Osoma. What else do I have to say? Iran, we are trying to use sanctions and negotiations but if that doesn't work then we should go for it. They want Israel destroyed

sorry I'm late to this thread, but I work my way up to the current. Do you even begin to know haow many resolutions Israel violated. Do you know we Stand US and Israel against the entire of the UN. Do you know Israle has nukes and is the only nation of any import in the region to have not signed the Non proliferation thing. Do you know the US has sent underground letters to Israeli leadership asking them to stop their campaign of terror because they do it with our equipment. Do you know that we gave the Taliban everything they needed to overthrow russia. Do you know where sadam got his nuclear technology? Iran? France Belgium and Germany. They have not created these threats themselves we gave them the means to do it then said now..... RED LIGHT.

BARK · #24 (**permalink**) 06-28-2006, 04:26 PM

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Intelligence is a matter that takes years and years to decipher. You can't just send people out one day and expect them to gain the sort of knowledge we need in a matter of a few weeks.

your right so the best thing to do is out an operative. Also with the whole plame thing the name of a dummy company the CIA used was released, and I can't prove because of the nature, but I know that operatives all around the world were tortured and killed because cheney had a personal vendetta he let Libbey go down for.

BARK · #25 (**permalink**) 06-28-2006, 04:29 PM

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Can anybody provide some qoutes from the book?

I've been through the book about a hundred times. I'm at work now my copy is at home. I'll get at it tonight or tomorrow.

BARK · #26 (**permalink**) 06-28-2006, 04:31 PM

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I have read The art of War, just as I have read Orientalism by the late Said but I am not knowledgable enough to quote them. Sorry that I can't help you there

. You have read Edward Said. I love his work. He taught at Rice and died two years ago, but I have Spoken with his nephew Dr. Ussama Bakdisi on a couple of occasions. He helped me put together a lecture on the Israel Palestine conflict.

BARK · #27 (**permalink**) 06-28-2006, 04:33 PM

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Tony Soprano read it after Dr Melfi,suggested that it would make him a better crime boss,he used what he learned against Ralphy,that is before he strangled him on Ralphy's kitchen floor,because Ralphy cooked Tony's horse!

Please don't quote TV. That is... Well Please don't qoute TV.

BARK · #28 (**permalink**) 06-28-2006, 04:35 PM

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Bloke, you should know your history. The Jews and Palestinians are not that far off ethnically. They both originated form the same area. The Jews were in the area back to biblical times long before Muhamed and Muslims were around. The Jews already held the areas sacred and holy. Thats why they both hold the same areas sacred.

Good close. I'll take this one up later. I love this one and I think we can get some good points out of this group.

bloke next door · #29 (**permalink**) 06-29-2006, 01:11 AM

HuffDawg, I am not the one to deny them the possibilities of being there. This is where it all gets fucked up. The British took over rule of Palestine again, following WWII. Known fact correct, out of respect and compassion for the treatment the Jews recieved during WWII, the westernworld allowed them, whether directly or indirectly by not preventing them, access into Palestine. Don't forget that the same thing happened following WWI, where a Jewish council were given land in Palestine. Who is going to deny them what in the bible says, is the holy land the land of the Isrealites. Certainly no Christian nation even when it isn't ruled by the church not after what has happened to them during this haulocaust. Define the boundaries before 1947. Define te same boundaries prior 1919, and define them in any other time. Just because a Beduoin, doesn't fence of his land that doesn't make it open season for anybody. You may have thought that we would learn from our mistakes of the past about what is rightfully ours and what isn't, especially after fighting the nazi for that very reason to exist. It was no different after the civil war in the USA. Slaves had freedom but never would they get equality. The US government did the same thing after that little charlie kicked his ass in the Thirteenth Valley. The Vietnamese got their land back from an imperialistic ruler, twice, in a matter of decades and your government condemn them for that. No, I do not recognise Isreal as an independant state. I do not hate Jews, I hate myself and my creator for making us stupid so many times over and over.

bloke next door · #30 (**permalink**) 06-29-2006, 01:16 AM

I am a frecked white guy does that make me not that far off racially from an African.