So what are Kuccinich chances of winning?

sotmfs · #21 (**permalink**) 02-22-2007, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TheHarshTruth

He's the only candidate who has a good track record. Yet so many people discount him as a joke. Why is that?

An example is how he voted against going to war with Iraq.

Unfortunatly he is not an insider.He was and has been one of the few in government to consistently tell the truth about the Iraq boondangle.
In order to be a candidate in either of the two major parties,one has to be willing to compromise ones values and honesty.. Kuccinich is not willing to do that.

heyjude122 · #22 (**permalink**) 02-22-2007, 11:55 PM

McCain will be swift-boated again. Remember he's crazy from all those yrs. in a box. Rudy is a moral reprobate, he isn't even embarassed. Clinton is just not likeable, Obama is too inexperienced, but george is living proof that experience doesn't help.

Dom1 · #23 (**permalink**) 02-23-2007, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Deadshot

But you're right, Rudy v. Hillary would be a great race and I'd really have to look at it to see who I'd vote for. But I really think it will be McCain v. Clinton which will give the Lib's a landslide victory.

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Clinton vs. anybody wouldn't produce a landslide victory for the libs. There are Dems who say they won't even vote for Hillary. She doesn't appeal at all to the middle and I don't see how anyone says that she can. Even her hubby never appealed to the middle as was so often claimed.

rob · #24 (**permalink**) 02-23-2007, 09:45 AM

Dead, just remember the bet we have on this. I will want an xxlg OU jersey.

Eternal Footman · #25 (**permalink**) 02-23-2007, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Deadshot

But how do you get the Religious right to get around Rudy's faults?

He cheated on his wife. This isn't Bubba who was able to lie and get away with it. Rudy's cheating is well documented and his wife took him to the cleaners for it.

Also Rudy is both pro-Abortion and Pro-Gay rights. I really doubt he can win the nomination.

But you're right, Rudy v. Hillary would be a great race and I'd really have to look at it to see who I'd vote for. But I really think it will be McCain v. Clinton which will give the Lib's a landslide victory.

If Rudy distances himself from abortion, via placing the burden on states, he may be able to gain those votes. As for gay rights, if I'm looking down the barrel of Hillary vs Gay Rights, I choose gay rights. Meanwhile Obama and Hillary, and their financial backers, are too busy blasting each other. I think the rift between Hillary, who has celebrity status, and Obama who the media showers with praise, could be bad for the democrats.

Skinny Fatts · #26 (**permalink**) 02-26-2007, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TheHarshTruth

He's the only candidate who has a good track record...

Didn't he attempt to destroy Cleveland?

TheHarshTruth · #27 (**permalink**) 02-26-2007, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Skinny Fatts

Didn't he attempt to destroy Cleveland?

Yes. He was in several all out fights with the power industries and big money lobbyist who convinced everybody he was going to destroy Cleveland. Real big serious brawls.

He won every one of them.

nathanbforrest45 · #28 (**permalink**) 02-26-2007, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TheHarshTruth

Yes. He was in several all out fights with the power industries and big money lobbyist who convinced everybody he was going to destroy Cleveland. Real big serious brawls.

He won every one of them.

I guesss he was such a wonderful politician and did such great things for Cleveland the attempt to recall him was just done for fun. Also, his ENTIRE two years experience as mayor puts him right up there with Obama for experence.

Being a Democrat his two divorces will never be mentioned since only Republicans have public personal lives

Skinny Fatts · #29 (**permalink**) 02-26-2007, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TheHarshTruth

Yes. He was in several all out fights with the power industries and big money lobbyist who convinced everybody he was going to destroy Cleveland. Real big serious brawls.

He won every one of them.

And Cleveland is still reaping the benefits?

TheHarshTruth · #30 (**permalink**) 02-26-2007, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Skinny Fatts

And Cleveland is still reaping the benefits?

I believe so. He actually seems to be damn smart and honest:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Kucinich

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In 1977, Kucinich was elected Mayor of Cleveland and served in that position until 1979.[4] At 31, he was the youngest mayor of a major city in the United States.[1] Kucinich's tenure as mayor is often regarded as one of the most tumultuous in Cleveland's history.[5] [6]
Melvin G. Holli in consultation with a panel of experts, placed Kucinich among the ten worst big-city mayors of all time for reasons of temperament and performance in the book, Best and Worst of the Big-City Leaders 1820-1993 while Kucinich's supporters say that Kucinich kept his campaign promise of refusing to sell Muny Light to CEI and was brave for not giving in to big business. In fact, in 1993, then-Cleveland Mayor Michael White cited Kucinich's "wisdom" in not selling the utility. In 1998 the council honored him for having the "courage and foresight" to stand up to the banks and saving the city an estimated $195 million between 1985 and 1995.[7]
In 1996, Kucinich was elected to the U.S. House of Representatives, representing the 10th district of Ohio. He serves on the Congressional Education and Labor Committee as well as the Government Reform Committee. He is a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus and is a self-described "Wellstone Democrat."
Kucinich voted against the USA PATRIOT Act. His voting record is not consistently that of the Democratic Party. He voted for the resolution calling for an investigation into President Bill Clinton's role in the Monica Lewinsky scandal, a stance inconsistent with most of his party. [8]
Kucinich has criticized the foreign policy of President Bush, including the 2003 invasion of Iraq and what Kucinich perceives to be building American hostility towards Iran. In 2005, Kucinich voted against the Iran Freedom and Support Act, calling it a "stepping stone to war."[9] He has since criticized the flag-burning amendment and voted against the impeachment of President Clinton. His congressional voting record has also leaned toward a pro-life stance, although he noted that he has never supported a constitutional amendment prohibiting abortion altogether. In 2003, however, he began describing himself as pro-choice and said he had shifted away from his earlier position on the issue.[10] Press releases have indicated that he is pro-choice but also wants to initiate a series of reforms, such as ending the "abstinence-only" policy of sex education and increasing the use of contraception in hopes of making abortion "less necessary" over time.
He has criticized Diebold Election Systems, and posted internal company memos on his website.[11] Kucinich has also been a strong opponent of space based weapons and has sponsored legislation, HR 2977, banning the deployment and use of space based weapons. [12]