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I think the pull of the moderate Democrats would far outnumber the Religious Right who would not vote for Rudy. Who would they vote for if the match up was Hilliary and Rudy? Remember there are Yellow Dog Republicans as much as there are Yellow Dog Democrats.

Oh, I agree that a Clinton - McCain match up would be a total disaster for Republicans. That would be like a Bob Dole - Bill Clinton election. (Note that Dole after the election was shilling for Viagra - seems he couldn't manage an erection or an election).

I think a shoo in for the Democrats would be an Obama vs anyone election. Obama is the media darling at the present time. Of course we have almost two years before the election, anything can happen, Hilliary could give Obama a ride out to the quail hunt, who knows

Nat, I agree with your reasoning, but you're missing something. You're not inviting me, or any other Democrat, to your nominating convention. I agree that Rudy would draw Democratic votes, but Rudy's not going to have a democratic contingent at the RNC. But the Religious Right will, they'll have LOTS of people at the Nominating Convention.

Do you see the problem now? Rudy will be crushed by the fringe of his own party.

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I think you might be giving the RR too much power. There is dissention even within the Christian groups already. I could easily support Rudy over Hilliary and I am a member of the Southern Baptist denomination. I agree he has to be nominated first but I think (unless Newt enters the picture) he will be first choice. But then again, we have over 18 months until the election, anything can (and usually does) happen. Bill may croak and Hilliary could win on the sympathy vote.

By the way, if the unthinkable happens and Hilliary wins the election do you think Bill might be appointed to her Senate seat?

I think enough of the GOP conservative base will be on board with Rudy that the "religious right" won't get their way. But Rudy will still need to pick a conservative veep to shore up the base, probably a Southern social conservative like Huckabee.

I didn't think he could get the nomination either, but there are several factors working in his favor. One of them is a hunger for a smart, articulate, competent guy in the White House. In that sense, Rudy is the anti-Bush. And he's America's Mayor, the Hero of 9/11. That's powerful with the base, enough to cover at least a few sins. He also comes across as very straight in his answers, maybe too liberal for what we'd prefer, but at least he's leveling with us. Altogether, a very strong combo.

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Guess you never have looked at his record as mayor of Cleveland?

Because he is.

I think my chances are slim to none. I think Kucinich's chances are "Are you fucking crazy????"

If my life depended on it, in other words, if somebody held a gun to my head and said, "vote for somebody in the republican or democratic party or die" I'd vote Kuccinich without hesitation.

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