Argue With Everyone Political Forums  

Go Back   Argue With Everyone Political Forums > Specific Political Issues > War in Iraq

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 02-19-2007, 06:43 PM
RASTAMAN's Avatar
Machiavelli Incarnate
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 10,533
Default Predicting the Outcome of U.S. Occupation of Iraq

We are not making progress in "pacifying" Iraq. Our occupation and imperialistic behavior, disrespect, and alienation continue to enrage the Iraqis with, bullying, and the constant shooting of civilians. The military operations continue to create a steady stream of dead and maimed GIs back home that has become a political liability for the Bush administration and the GOP.

This daily dose of trauma was combined with collapsing stories. There was no al-Qaeda connection. There was no Iraqi nuclear program. There are no weapons of mass destruction. Alas--just as many of us said well before the American people were manipulated through fear to support this war--Iraq is not now, nor has it ever been, a threat to the United States.

Even as the old lies incrementally slowly dissolve, the Bush administration is developing new ones, the most significant of which is the lie that the armed resistance to the US occupation is composed primarily of "remnants" or foreigners. To fight the Americans would be decidedly "un-liberated." In fact, it is Iraqi resistance with widening popular support. Crowds cheer after successful attacks against Americans. Eighty percent of the Iraqi’s want the U.S. out of their country and over sixty percent believe it is okay to kill Americans.

Should the US troops pull back behind the wire (GREEN ZONE), to have their static positions placed under 24-7 surveillance, the Iraqi street and countryside is relinquished to the guerrillas, who can now bomb oil pipelines, water mains, Brown & Root profiteers, embassies and hotels. In military terms, the US has lost the strategic initiative in the war on Iraq. Not even the surge of 45,000 troops will stop this eventual reality. I say 45K troops, b/c although Bush is plan is for 21.5K ground troops; one needs to realize an additional 4 support troops will need to accompany the initial 21.5k troops.

Bush’s Delima:

First, there will be no good outcome of this war. There will only be choices now between bad and worse. A crime has been committed and it can't be taken back. In the face of a similar dilemma Vietnam, there was the incredulous question, "How do we just get out of Vietnam?" The answer--one that was ignored at terrible cost: "With ships and airplanes."

Second, the Bush administration will not quit. They have proven their infinite capacity for self-delusion and impunity. That leaves the American public with a no win choice. Accept this junta's continued vandalism against the world and against our own economy (We are now paying $5 billion a month for the two military failures of Iraq and Afghanistan, while Bush cuts taxes for the rich). Or throw them out. Not elect them out. Throw them out.

America had to pull the whole nation through the constitutional crisis of Watergate to rid ourselves of the Nixon Republican regime; we will have to risk the political disruption of the same kind of crisis should Bush continue on his course of action to purge this neo-con disease from the American democracy of ideas.

Popular protest against the war in Iraq, a mobilization to bring our troops home and leave Iraq to the Iraqis, is the only thing that will stiffen the spines of the elected officials of both parties, who were stampeded into this war by demagogy and their own indestructible opportunism, to call for the independent investigations we must have of the whole highway of lies that led us into this quagmire.

On top of all this, we haven’t even started the discussing the fallout and global castastrope that would be created should Bush decide to manipulate or lie to the American public to TACTICALLY NUKE Iran. America and the world is in for a long ride and uncertain future over the next 18 months of the out of control Bush Administration.
__________________
AMERICA LAND OF THE FREE HOME OF THE BRAVE--BECAUSE OF OUR CONSTITUTION.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 02-19-2007, 06:55 PM
rob's Avatar
rob rob is offline
Machiavelli Incarnate
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: SW Oklahoma
Posts: 16,166
Blog Entries: 1
Send a message via MSN to rob
Default

Why don't you suggest something that might work to help in Iraq besides Bush is wrong and cut and run?
__________________
An informed voter scares the Goverment lackeys.

An American first and always a Conservative.

Go Sooners
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 02-19-2007, 07:03 PM
Political Mastermind
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Tampa,Fl
Posts: 1,781
Default

Rasta, you're posts would have more credibility if not every single one served as a platform for your "I Hate George Bush" agenda.
Where are you getting your info? Do you have proof that American soldiers are indiscriminately killing Iraqi civilians?
You have proof that the Iraqi citizens hate the US? All citizens?
If the US troops retreating to the Green Zone would cause the carnage you describe, wouldn't the troops leaving totally cause even more widespread carnage?
Whats with this simplistic argument about "Bush lied" still being used?
If you want to debate the quality of the intel that said there were WMD, you are probably right.
If you want to debate why Hillary relied on old Clinton staffers to make her decision for the Iraq vote, then thats legitimate too.
If you want an investigation to truly determine how the US had such lousy intel, that would be legitimate.
But the investigation you seek is only to find some offense by the President. And that is sad and transparent.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 02-19-2007, 07:12 PM
rob's Avatar
rob rob is offline
Machiavelli Incarnate
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: SW Oklahoma
Posts: 16,166
Blog Entries: 1
Send a message via MSN to rob
Default

Justme, thanks for saying what I get tired of saying.
__________________
An informed voter scares the Goverment lackeys.

An American first and always a Conservative.

Go Sooners
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 02-19-2007, 07:14 PM
Machiavelli Incarnate
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 12,257
Default

"Second, the Bush administration will not quit."

>>>It's ONLY choice is to play this hand out to the end. And then go home.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 02-19-2007, 07:19 PM
Machiavelli Incarnate
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 12,257
Default

"But the investigation you seek is only to find some offense by the President. And that is sad and transparent."

>>>And what if there WAS some offense? Like campaign contributions from AIPAC in exchange for an invasion of Iraq. I doubt that any Bush offense would less grievous than being on the receiving end of a blowjob in the Oval Office, eh?
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 02-19-2007, 07:43 PM
Political Mastermind
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Tampa,Fl
Posts: 1,781
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by George O Well View Post
"But the investigation you seek is only to find some offense by the President. And that is sad and transparent."

>>>And what if there WAS some offense? Like campaign contributions from AIPAC in exchange for an invasion of Iraq. I doubt that any Bush offense would less grievous than being on the receiving end of a blowjob in the Oval Office, eh?
Prove an offense and I'll be the first say he should be punished.
And for the 7,456,789th time, nobody cares about the BJ, its the LYING.
But thats only important if its scooter talking about plame, right?
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 02-19-2007, 07:53 PM
Machiavelli Incarnate
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 12,257
Default

"Prove an offense and I'll be the first say he should be punished."
>>>How do you prove an offense without an investigation?

"And for the 7,456,789th time, nobody cares about the BJ, its the LYING."
>>>I wasn't much in favor of the lying, but he shouldn't have been asked. And, really, there are many, many folks who care about the actual BJ.

"But thats only important if its scooter talking about plame, right?"
>>>Nobody cares about Scooter talking about Plame unless it shows that Cheney's 'case for war' was a fabrication. Everybody wants to see Cheney being perp-walked into a courtroom.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 02-19-2007, 07:57 PM
sour_claw's Avatar
Political Mastermind
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Belize
Posts: 2,056
Default

I'm still convinced that the US is in Iraq only to use it as a base of operations.

__________________
FREE THE SHEEPLE!
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 02-19-2007, 08:01 PM
Machiavelli Incarnate
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 12,257
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sour_claw View Post
I'm still convinced that the US is in Iraq only to use it as a base of operations.

>>>Then it should get the GIs out of the cities and set up shop in the middle of a desert somewhere.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Forum Jump


» Navigation

Political Links Page

Blogs by AWE Members

Advertisers support this site - if you're interested in their product, take a look!


$5 monthly donation:

$10 monthly donation:



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:33 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0