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02-05-2007, 11:59 PM
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Shia Islam.. vs... Sunni Islam.... Who will win?
Sunnis and Shiites have not always been openly hostile...
( hard to imagine, isn't it?) In many parts of the world they live together peacefully.. ( Really?) Indeed, they used to get along so well in Iraq. ( well, I'll give Saddam that one) The sectarian violence that erupted there last year took many by surprise.. ( Yeah, like small children with holes in their heads) What is the history of the Sunni/Shiite rivalry? Why is it now tearing Iraq apart?
Mr. Iraqi President, what in the hell are you going to do to control this violence?
It's become the menu of daily life in Iraq - - Sunnis killing Shiites in markets and mosques and holy sites, and Shiites retaliating, murdering Sunnis. ( nice!!) The level of sectarian viloence has grown dangerously to an all-out civil war. Should we have seen this coming?
I would like to ask, where are the American troops in all of this? The insurgency, are they Sunnis, Shiites, or some other enemy we haven't yet identified? Who is behind this insurgeny?
What about Jamal Jafaar Mohammed? He was convicted for the 1983 bombings of the U.S. and French embassies..
He has a seat in the Iraqi Parliament.
He supports Shiite insurgents and acts as an Iranian agent in Iraq. This guy is also accused of attempting to kill the Kuwaiti prince... ( sounds like a fun guy) Does anyone thik that the U.S. military has a chance in Iraq?
We can defeat any enemy that is put before us;this I am sure, however, Iraq has a lot of problems inside it's borders that will continue for eterntiy. "This is not our war to win or lose."
Mr. President, bring our troops home...
May God Bless America and keep our Troops SAFE...
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02-06-2007, 12:01 AM
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Yep, pretty complicated...
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02-07-2007, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyhigher
Sunnis and Shiites have not always been openly hostile...
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Where, when, and by whom?
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Originally Posted by Flyhigher
( hard to imagine, isn't it?) In many parts of the world they live together peacefully.. ( Really?) Indeed, they used to get along so well in Iraq. ( well, I'll give Saddam that one) The sectarian violence that erupted there last year took many by surprise.. ( Yeah, like small children with holes in their heads) What is the history of the Sunni/Shiite rivalry? Why is it now tearing Iraq apart?
Mr. Iraqi President, what in the hell are you going to do to control this violence?
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It's not a rivalry; It's not tearing apart Iraq...Al-Qaeda is. How many frickin stories do I have to post about Sunnis helping Shi'as and vice versa? And if you're talking about Nouri Al-Maliki, he isn't the president; Talabani (a Kurd) is.
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It's become the menu of daily life in Iraq - - Sunnis killing Shiites in markets and mosques and holy sites, and Shiites retaliating, murdering Sunnis. ( nice!!) The level of sectarian viloence has grown dangerously to an all-out civil war. Should we have seen this coming?
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Proof, proof, proof? Please don't give me anything on some article written by the media as propoganda to help out the insurgents, ok? Give me proof from actual Iraqis talking; Not a Baathist, but an actual Iraqi civilian.
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I would like to ask, where are the American troops in all of this? The insurgency, are they Sunnis, Shiites, or some other enemy we haven't yet identified? Who is behind this insurgeny?
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It's not a religious thing, for God's sake! It's all political! When the US had their civil war, would you have said "Yet another huge chunk of the Christian population were killed by Christians today"? No! You would say that the South or the North were losing, while at the same time not bringing up religion. Who cares what their religions are; These are insurgents killing Iraqi people (and Americans of course) for their own POLITICAL needs, not religious.
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What about Jamal Jafaar Mohammed? He was convicted for the 1983 bombings of the U.S. and French embassies..
He has a seat in the Iraqi Parliament.
He supports Shiite insurgents and acts as an Iranian agent in Iraq. This guy is also accused of attempting to kill the Kuwaiti prince... ( sounds like a fun guy) Does anyone thik that the U.S. military has a chance in Iraq?
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Proof, proof, and proof?
The rest of your post is basically all of an opinion thing; There is no need to talk about it.
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02-07-2007, 09:29 PM
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Well, tell us what the truth is here.
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02-07-2007, 09:32 PM
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Well, tell us what the truth is here.
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The truth about what?
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02-07-2007, 09:33 PM
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The truth about what?
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the truth about the Sunni and Shia's and who will win, or that they haven't always fought eachother.
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02-07-2007, 09:51 PM
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i think what Mideaster is trying to say is that the fighting you see is more about a power grab both politicaly and financially in iraq....... Things like this are prevolent in all society and even americas... The political infighting between democrats and republicans is a perfect example.... The only differnece is that in IRAQ the have taken the fight to the streats and are handling things in the old ways....
Mx that with allitle bit of Alquida instigation and you have the problems that is iraq in the present day......
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02-07-2007, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by MidEaster
Where, when, and by whom?
It's not a rivalry; It's not tearing apart Iraq...Al-Qaeda is. How many frickin stories do I have to post about Sunnis helping Shi'as and vice versa? And if you're talking about Nouri Al-Maliki, he isn't the president; Talabani (a Kurd) is.
Proof, proof, proof? Please don't give me anything on some article written by the media as propoganda to help out the insurgents, ok? Give me proof from actual Iraqis talking; Not a Baathist, but an actual Iraqi civilian.
It's not a religious thing, for God's sake! It's all political! When the US had their civil war, would you have said "Yet another huge chunk of the Christian population were killed by Christians today"? No! You would say that the South or the North were losing, while at the same time not bringing up religion. Who cares what their religions are; These are insurgents killing Iraqi people (and Americans of course) for their own POLITICAL needs, not religious.
Proof, proof, and proof?
The rest of your post is basically all of an opinion thing; There is no need to talk about it.
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Proof, if you don't have access to a TV, or access to a computer, I would then understand why you need proof.
But since I am sure that you own both of these, what in the hell are you drinking? Even the Iraqi police and the Iraqi army don't trust each other.. Don't give me this bullshit about Sunni helping Shiite in Iraq. Yes, you could be right, helping each other to thier grave...
And if you are from the Mideast, I truly would understand why you want to defend the animal behavior like conditions in Iraq..
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02-08-2007, 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyhigher
Proof, if you don't have access to a TV, or access to a computer, I would then understand why you need proof.
But since I am sure that you own both of these, what in the hell are you drinking? Even the Iraqi police and the Iraqi army don't trust each other.. Don't give me this bullshit about Sunni helping Shiite in Iraq. Yes, you could be right, helping each other to thier grave...
And if you are from the Mideast, I truly would understand why you want to defend the animal behavior like conditions in Iraq..
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fly you are talking out of your ass.....what are your credentials in SUNNI, SHIA relations...... why should we take your word on it....
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02-08-2007, 09:06 AM
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fly you are talking out of your ass.....what are your credentials in SUNNI, SHIA relations...... why should we take your word on it....
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Hi, Gix,
I love your choice of words, Gix, it's really sweet...
I will give you some advice.. If you really want proof, set sail to that "HELL HOLE"... I spent three weeks there, and it seemed like three years.. My Father is stationed in that maze of who can you trust not to kill you country..
People who try and defend the actions between the Sunnis and Shiites, well, maybe they respect these actions and refer to them as civilized behavior for Irab countries..
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