I see now that the US is talking about spraying herbicides on the Afghan Poppy fields as well. There's nothing like taking away someone's livelihood, making their fields infertile and giving their families cancer to win over their "hearts and minds" is there?

I've got to tell you, I'm a firm supporter of Canada's role in Afghanistan right now... we're not like the Germans or the French with their "caveats" - we're right in the thick of it in Kandahar. I've even kept up my support for the effort there when America's emphasis shifted to Iraq (Geez, you guys were the ones attacked - why should we care more about Afghanistan than you do?). But if the Americans start taking us down this road, I'm going to have to change my mind on this. I think it'll be high time for us to get the hell out of there. We can't fight a war if our own allies are going to sabotage the effort behind our backs.

The US Administration needs to grab a clue here... the Soviets tried spraying the poppy fields too, and all it did is drive more and more of the rural population into the Mujahadeen. More money for reconstruction and rebuilding is a great and good thing... more power to you! But if you're going to put it into some Agent Orange-redux, well, you can stuff it!

This does sound more and more like Nam. Anyone see a light at the end of the tunnel?

What you guys are even talking about is a non-argument...why do you even ask this anymore, it has no bearing...if I point you to Joe Bdien's plan or Dennis Kushinich then you will say it is not a plan so...WHY DO YOU EVEN ASK TO BE SHOWN A PLAN? Got to those two senator's sites yourself and find out, you do some reading.

A. The administration is the part of our government to come up with a single plan fopr thsi sort of action, it is their responsibilty.

B. Up until just this past November it really did not matter whether the Democrats had a plan or not because the Rep party and the administration were in control.

C. Even with A and B being said there were several Democrats that have suggested plans and continue to have those on the table but a concensus would have to be come to because it would be an amalgum of those plans if coming through the legislative side.

D. Any plan is going to be refused by ahte BUsh White House that comes from the left, the administration has proved that over and over.

So first of all why are you so interested in asking the question when you are not even interested in a plan from the left? Classic sign of denial that there are many things wrong with the current policy and the guy in charge is so hard headed he is not going to try something new.

cat's meow: What you guys are even talking about is a non-argument...why do you even ask this anymore, it has no bearing...if I point you to Joe Bdien's plan or Dennis Kushinich then you will say it is not a plan so...WHY DO YOU EVEN ASK TO BE SHOWN A PLAN? Got to those two senator's sites yourself and find out, you do some reading.

Smitty: You know that even thoes democrats who tried to come up with a plan has had their plan rejected from their fellow democrats! No one is willing to support a plan from a single liberal. The presedents plan has more support than any liberal plan out there from which was written with a crayon.

cat's meow:A. The administration is the part of our government to come up with a single plan fopr thsi sort of action, it is their responsibilty.

Smitty: Explain how bush has screwed up iraq? It is the lack of support from the liberals politisizing this war that fuckes things up. The fact that the terrorists say that liberals support their plans in iraq and afganistan scares me. The fact that the liberals politisize, exagerates, and falsefys the situation in Iraq for votes only motovates the terrorists even more. And we wander why the terrorists are flooding in to iraq. Its because the american Liberals are giving them a message of victory and hope!
cat's meow:B. Up until just this past November it really did not matter whether the Democrats had a plan or not because the Rep party and the administration were in control.

Smitty: So the dimocrats dont have a plan because they werent in controll? What ever happend to doing the right thing no matter what the support or outcome? The fact of the matter is that you are right. Before november the democrats only plan for the war in iraq was to oppose the presedents plan! This is not a plan at all. Its funny that they have no plan before november but now they say its too late to change the plan now. However they still dont have a plan. There is no plan from a democrat that the democrats support. The presedents plan is supported more than any liberal plan out there.

cat's meow:C. Even with A and B being said there were several Democrats that have suggested plans and continue to have those on the table but a concensus would have to be come to because it would be an amalgum of those plans if coming through the legislative side.

Smitty: Like I said. There is no plan from a democrat that the democrats support! The only plan the democrats can agree on is to oppose bushes plan no matter what. That plan is not only not a plan but it kills our troops as well!
cat's meow. Any plan is going to be refused by ahte BUsh White House that comes from the left, the administration has proved that over and over.

Smitty: Have they even tried? How can you say this because they havent tried? Where is the plan that the democrats support? You expect one liberal to write up a plan with a crayon and have it carried out with no support from congress? If congress wont support it then how can you expect the presedent to? The presedents plan has more support than any liberal plan out there! liberal plans that are not supported by the liberals. Its a joke!

cat's meow:So first of all why are you so interested in asking the question when you are not even interested in a plan from the left? Classic sign of denial that there are many things wrong with the current policy and the guy in charge is so hard headed he is not going to try something new.
Smitty: Where is the plan cat? Where have I said that I am not interested in a plan from the left. If a liberal makes a plan that is not supported by his fellow liberals you shure as hell cant expect the republicans to support it! And a liberal cut and run plan wont cut it eather. The only plan the liberals share as a whole is to oppose the presedents plan even though they have no plan themselvs! However despite their lack of a plan they will continue to politisize, exagerate, and falsefy the situation in iraq just for liberal votes and dispite the fact that they devide a nation and motovate the terrorists to kill more troops because they send terror a message of victory. Terror needs a seperated nation to win and the liberals who oppose bush without a plan have offered it to them! Thanks liberals.

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At least you now recognize by your statement that Iraq and the war on terror are separate wars....

"no plan for Iraq or the war on terror."

When have I said otherwise? Im sure we are fighting terrorism in iraq but we are fighting for a free and selfsustaining iraq and an ally in the war on terror!

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