A Young marine speaks Out

Deadshot · #**101** (**permalink**) 01-25-2007, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Eternal Footman

Did you have an unlit cigar in your mouth while posting your deductions?

Seriously though, lady called him out on the leave time as well, but he did not say it was holiday leave. I'm not sure what thread that was in, but I'm sure you can beam it up. Until then, live long and prosper.

But I linked the post where he does say that it was "Holiday leave." C'mon, use that little Spock in all of us and turn off the emotions and turn on the logic.

As to cigars, I'm a Liberal, Democrat I don't keep my cigars in my mouth.

oceanbreeze · #**102** (**permalink**) 01-25-2007, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Still Dizzy

Don't forget 'friend' of Sarita.

StillDizzy; woahhh..that was below the belt for this early in the morning!

(I'm on MST) PS...she has mellowed quite considerably since she has had some life changes. I was forthcoming because a poster on this board brought her up, not me.

Deadshot;
Smitty said he was in Iraq in 2005, but also in 2004? He also said where he was stationed at, which has me perplexed because I thought he told me somewhere different. I did see someone on webcam, and they seemed to match the pictures and he was young...geez, I'm old...he he had to be under 25. Anyway...As far as the time of leave, the military doesn't use any leave while in Iraq, the accumulate 2 1/2 days of leave every month. So, that's 30 free days for the year in Iraq. Then once you come back and don't use the time it accumulates. When people pcs to different duty stations some have taken up 6 weeks. Always ticks me of because mine never takes more than the alloted 10 days. So, if I've been snowed, so be it.

Spitty; are your manties in a bunch?? I don't use personal info. I gave you a compliment for crying out loud.

Deadshot · #**103** (**permalink**) 01-25-2007, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ladyofmts

Deadshot;
Smitty said he was in Iraq in 2005, but also in 2004? He also said where he was stationed at, which has me perplexed because I thought he told me somewhere different. I did see someone on webcam, and they seemed to match the pictures and he was young...geez, I'm old...he he had to be under 25. Anyway...As far as the time of leave, the military doesn't use any leave while in Iraq, the accumulate 2 1/2 days of leave every month. So, that's 30 free days for the year in Iraq. Then once you come back and don't use the time it accumulates. When people pcs to different duty stations some have taken up 6 weeks. Always ticks me of because mine never takes more than the alloted 10 days. So, if I've been snowed, so be it.

But Smitty wasn't a plain ole radar operator like me, he's a front line fightin machine, remember? So as of today, a front line soldier has been using 14 months of leave (35 days) or working on 20 months of leave (48 days). Lady I get 4 weeks of vacation, theorhetically I could take 20 days at once. But it would have to be the perfect situation, definitely not during a holiday. Do you actually believe that the Marines, which is by and far the toughest branch of the service, would allow a soldier to be home a week or more before Christmas, during Christmas, during New Year's Eve and almost the whole month of January - just before a HUGE troop deployment? Lady, your husband might be able to take 20 at a time, maybe even 31 days - a whole month - but more then a month at once? Do you really believe this?

C'mon Lady, I don't think that your too convinced. At least your post seems to allow for some doubt about Smitty.

You know what would convince me that Smitty is for real? READ THIS CLOSELY Smitty, if he would vanish from the board. "Poof!" he's gone, that would convince me. That would say he went back after leave. Your post goes more to convincing me that Smitty's a kid, you said he was young, who is a wanna be. It just doesn't all add up.

Eternal Footman · #**104** (**permalink**) 01-25-2007, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Deadshot

But I linked the post where he does say that it was "Holiday leave." C'mon, use that little Spock in all of us and turn off the emotions and turn on the logic.

As to cigars, I'm a Liberal, Democrat I don't keep my cigars in my mouth.

He said something about personal issues being the real reason, but had said Holiday leave initially. I don't know if he is or is not and I certainly have not invovled emotions into the matter. Whether he is or not was never my point. I was just pointing out that you call him immature and insecure(which may be true) for trying to defend himself. It just doesn't make sense. Personally, if I where Smitty I would either drop it or produce something irrefutable. . .but would that be immature, insecure or both?

oceanbreeze · #**105** (**permalink**) 01-25-2007, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Deadshot

But Smitty wasn't a plain ole radar operator like me, he's a front line fightin machine, remember? So as of today, a front line soldier has been using 14 months of leave (35 days) or working on 20 months of leave (48 days). Lady I get 4 weeks of vacation, theorhetically I could take 20 days at once. But it would have to be the perfect situation, definitely not during a holiday. Do you actually believe that the Marines, which is by and far the toughest branch of the service, would allow a soldier to be home a week or more before Christmas, during Christmas, during New Year's Eve and almost the whole month of January - just before a HUGE troop deployment? Lady, your husband might be able to take 20 at a time, maybe even 31 days - a whole month - but more then a month at once? Do you really believe this?

C'mon Lady, I don't think that your too convinced. At least your post seems to allow for some doubt about Smitty.

You know what would convince me that Smitty is for real? READ THIS CLOSELY Smitty, if he would vanish from the board. "Poof!" he's gone, that would convince me. That would say he went back after leave. Your post goes more to convincing me that Smitty's a kid, you said he was young, who is a wanna be. It just doesn't all add up.

Deadshot; what major deployment are you talking about?

The point is raised about leave. Yes, some military members do take a month off in order to move from one duty station to another. Sometimes it does work out. Also, depending on the job, there is more leeway. This frustrates me..let's say we go on vacation a day before or during a "free federal" 4 day weekend, those days are counted as leave because we were on vacation. My husband has to use his vacation days to cover the otherwise "free days".

So, we try hard not to let that happen anymore.

Smitty; was I blinded by the lights??

Still Dizzy · #**106** (**permalink**) 01-25-2007, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by graybeard

I think not, he has insight concerning the Marines on the ground, but his OPINIONS are just that. He has a right to voice them, but his experience in Iraq certainly doesn't make him THE expert.

Hi Gray,

I seem to have missed that. At what point did he claim to be "THE expert?"

Deadshot · #**107** (**permalink**) 01-25-2007, 09:57 AM

ETERNA - He's not inmature and insecure because he tried to defend himself. He inmature and insecure because he's been trying for 5 weeks and still just can't seem to pull it off. All you have to do to Smitty is say "Your not a Marine" and he goes nuts trying to prove that he is.

I'm a cop, going to school to be a History teacher, who was formally in the Navy with a wife and two kids. Believe me or don't, my arguements will be based on logic and proof. If you call me out and say that I couldn't be a cop, or a History student, etc. I will prove you wrong and move on. But, Eternal, if you do that today, and I prove my point, and I still don't convince you I'll move on. Your belief in me and my life doesn't effect me so much that I must fight you and try to convince others every time it's brought up.

Smitty's arguements are solely based on the fact of "I'm a Marine!" Prove he's not a Marine and almost everyone of his arguements fall. Read a post above, gix is willing to give him Carte Blanche just because he says he's a Marine. It's all he's got to prove his arguement with, he consistitently throws the fact that he's a Marine in the face of everyone he argues with. I've proven he's not, or at the very least cast doubt that he's a Marine. Ergo he has no arguement. Which goes to show that only an inmature and/or insecure person would base his arguement, and his life, on one thing - a thing easily disproved.

LADY - Did Smitty say he was moving Duty Station? A time the military treats just like a move. He said "Holiday Leave", I linked to the page where he said this in a post above. "Holiday leave" is just that, leave for the Holiday period. 35 days is not "Holiday leave" nor is 48 days. Your husband might be able to work some leave/vacation magic with holidays, but would a low ranking Marine be able to do so?

I'd also like you to put a little Spock in your life Lady. You haven't had a leave in 14 months. In that time you've accrued 35 days of leave (also remember that if Smitty posts today that would be day 36, ergo he'd need 15 months without leave). 14 months in country and you come home and what do you do? Would you spend a lot of time on the computer agrueing about the war? He hasn't convinced me, Sam and the other Liberals here. Use your logic here. Over 400 days spent "On Duty" and, if he is a Marine, in harms way and when he comes home he doesn't spend his time partying, or with friends, or with family, or at church, or just trying to relax. No he spends it here argueing. Is that logical? Is that what your husband would do?

It does not add up.

Smitty's posts, the number of them and the all day posting marathons
His extended Holiday leave - again check the post lady, it was "HOLIDAY LEAVE", not leave for anything else.
His unfamiliarity with the USMC and the military in general. He didn't even know about the written tests you take to get promoted - battle field promotions are a rarity - even so you would know about the way the system works, he didn't.

lady, even you stated above that "If I've been snowed, so be it." Hardly something a person who believed Smitty would say. Even Eternal isn't backing Smitty's claim. There is doubt there, that's a warning sign.

oceanbreeze · #**108** (**permalink**) 01-25-2007, 10:14 AM

Deadshot; I really don't know Smitty's deployment dates. As I said, I am perplexed about his duty station and his job. The leave dates sound excessive. My husband can't even make magic with leave days. When my husband came home in Jan '06, he was given 3 days to "unwind" then he went back to work. We didn't take a family vacation until April '06. Then we moved in June '06. We were given 6 days to move from GA to AZ, then 10 days to find housing. I only know Army lingo and unfamiliar with Marine lingo. My husband wasn't home at the time of the webcam and I had to get the kids to a class...so maybe wasn't as thorough as I could have been. I have said if I I have his name my husband could type it into the data base and prove it once and for all.

graybeard · #**109** (**permalink**) 01-25-2007, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Still Dizzy

Hi Gray,

I seem to have missed that. At what point did he claim to be "THE expert?"

I didn't, Gix did.

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Quote Gixaholic so since its over i think smitty has Carte blanche when it comes to the issue of iraq....... he has the most ecperience out of all of us combined and his viewpoint should be consulted on every topic related to IRAQ, The War On Terror and Afganistan

I won't defer to a twenty something NCO with eight months in country.

I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right · #**110** (**permalink**) 01-25-2007, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Smitty0311

LOL you dont know what a prt is do you?

No... I'm not a mindless military drone.