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Old 01-11-2007, 06:07 AM
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Hey LIBBS. DO you want to see a civil war. Lets leave iraq and watch it Boil into tyranny. Then you will have your civil war.

If it helps the Dems win the White House in 2008 what do the lives of a few hundred thousand third worlders matter?
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Old 01-11-2007, 06:46 AM
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well thank god we live in a free country where the people get a voice in what they want to happen.

that is part of what makes this country great

so if the dems win the house.. that will be great... because that will be what america wants

right?
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Old 01-11-2007, 09:50 AM
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We want a damn plan. We want a set of goals, a timeline to achieve those goals and a strategy to achieve those goals. 3 years and so far nothing. We need some real leadership. And you know what, it is not just of libs/dems that what this anymore. Most rational Americans want the same thing.
VIETNAM TOOK 15 YEARS SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT. I dont think you can set an arbetrary timeline to win in war.
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Old 01-11-2007, 09:52 AM
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If it helps the Dems win the White House in 2008 what do the lives of a few hundred thousand third worlders matter?
unfortunatly i beleive this to be the case. The dems will use the war and push for it's failure like the have been for the last 3 years. According to the dems it won them one election. Now why not make it painfull enough for the Rep s they can win another......
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Old 01-11-2007, 09:53 AM
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well thank god we live in a free country where the people get a voice in what they want to happen.

that is part of what makes this country great

so if the dems win the house.. that will be great... because that will be what america wants

right?
agreed. The people
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Old 01-11-2007, 03:07 PM
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We want a damn plan. We want a set of goals, a timeline to achieve those goals and a strategy to achieve those goals. 3 years and so far nothing. We need some real leadership. And you know what, it is not just of libs/dems that what this anymore. Most rational Americans want the same thing.
freedomlover is right. The plan to date hasn't worked. I support what we are trying to do, but that does not mean I want it to go on forever.

There needs to be a serious revision to the plan, Task, Conditions, Standards. A plan needs goals and a timeline otherwise there is no way to judge if the plan is working.

We cannot leave Iraq as it is, but we also cannot continue to handle Iraq as we have. Unfortunately, cheerleading has been mistaken for leadership to date. We, both the citizens of the USA and the soldiers, need direction. we need a leader to outline a plan for victory and then implement it. While 3000 KIA is a great cost to families and our nation, it is extremely light for a conflict involving this many troops and this period of time.

I would be all in favor of committing 250,000 additional troops to Iraq. Their mission would be to secure the borders and prevent foriegn fighters and supplies to enter the country. The troops that are already in cities and towns would eliminate the resistance, with their supply chain and reserve supply cut off at the border, I think this could be accomplished in 8 to 12 months. The training of the Iraqi military would continue, as a battalion is trained, it would relieve a US battalion on the border. As the cities and towns are cleaned up, the US forces could be replaced by Iraqi police. I think it possible to hand over the country of Iraq in 2.5 years. Tis is an over-simplification of the plan, but I think the plan is defendable.

The most important factor in this is the Iraqi's. If they do not want what we are giving them, then the entire effort is doomed from the beginning.

I think you will find that once the foriegn fighters are eliminated, the sectarian violence will disappear as well. Hence, no civil war.
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Old 01-11-2007, 04:14 PM
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freedomlover is right. The plan to date hasn't worked. I support what we are trying to do, but that does not mean I want it to go on forever.

There needs to be a serious revision to the plan, Task, Conditions, Standards. A plan needs goals and a timeline otherwise there is no way to judge if the plan is working.

We cannot leave Iraq as it is, but we also cannot continue to handle Iraq as we have. Unfortunately, cheerleading has been mistaken for leadership to date. We, both the citizens of the USA and the soldiers, need direction. we need a leader to outline a plan for victory and then implement it. While 3000 KIA is a great cost to families and our nation, it is extremely light for a conflict involving this many troops and this period of time.

I would be all in favor of committing 250,000 additional troops to Iraq. Their mission would be to secure the borders and prevent foriegn fighters and supplies to enter the country. The troops that are already in cities and towns would eliminate the resistance, with their supply chain and reserve supply cut off at the border, I think this could be accomplished in 8 to 12 months. The training of the Iraqi military would continue, as a battalion is trained, it would relieve a US battalion on the border. As the cities and towns are cleaned up, the US forces could be replaced by Iraqi police. I think it possible to hand over the country of Iraq in 2.5 years. Tis is an over-simplification of the plan, but I think the plan is defendable.

The most important factor in this is the Iraqi's. If they do not want what we are giving them, then the entire effort is doomed from the beginning.

I think you will find that once the foriegn fighters are eliminated, the sectarian violence will disappear as well. Hence, no civil war.
hmmm intersting
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Old 01-11-2007, 08:08 PM
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I find if you want to have a sucessful goverment then you need to destroy thoes who are killing the familys of thoes who are serving their goverment. Its not as easy than you think! Iraqis do want to help. But put yourself in there shoes! But im sure you guys have no idea on what im talking about. We are winning this battle. The insergency is rising but slowly we are putting togather the iraqi infastructure reguardless of insergents! This is not defeat!
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