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Dead, I never said your party was fubar. My opinion is that there have been no new to the point ideas coming from the Democratic party. More said to go than not you know that is true. At the time we invaded the " don't go’s" were the minority. The president had the support he needed and he alone didn't invade Iraq.
I understand you don’t trust Bush as most on your side feel he is a war hawk and you are entitled to your opinion. You feel burned, & I understand.
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That's fine, but their culture, religion and ideals of rights - especially for women - is different for us. So what we see as democracy; that is women can do anything a man can do - ANYTHING - culturually won't fly over there; We let people drink if they want - they don't; As was shown just a few days ago, their idea of how to handle a Death Sentence and ours are vastly different. There's no one they could be like us, you acknowledge that. We agree that the terrorists want them not to have any choices. Where we don't agree is that America is helping our cause right now
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Dead, all of these issues are going to be theirs to decide. The decision to or not to live as other countries is up to them. They will figure all of that out without our help. We are not there to establish their culture and future lifestyles, just to help stabilize the region.
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Is that a bad thing? Teaching them that our way is right because we follow the rule of law and that terrorists are animals that don't. I'll take the high road everytime.
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I think we agree on this and maybe you misunderstood me. I was speaking of ridding the region of terrorist or any that will resist the progression of the democracy. The law is a completely different issue when compared to lifestyles. If they model their government and laws of not just one country it would more likely be accepted.
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My point exactly. The terrorists won't ever go away. There have been terrorist since the dawn of time. Our job, here in the USA, is not to make more people hate us. That's the big question I think nobody on the right wants to answer. How many people dislike or hate us now?
After 9/11 everybody loved us. In fact the invasion of Afghanistan was applauded by most of the world for two reasons. Most of the people felt it was our right to seek justice and the Taliban had no nation which would ally itself the Radical Islamic Taliban. The terrorists had no power and were on the run with almost no safe haven.
But after Iraq, Iran grew a pair and so did North Korea. Iran and NKorea always hated us, but were afraid to openly confront us. Think about how the world would be different if we hadn't invaded Iraq and Iran said they were going to get nukes. Bush could threaten invasion and have that threat mean something. Given what we know now, wouldn't you rather be knee deep in Iran, which borders our other conquest Afghanistan and are greatest ally in the region Pakistan? A place where they already have voting and is dominated by over 80% of one religion instead of the division that Iraq has?
Face it we made a mistake, and we're trying to make the best of it. But in the end, Bush's legacy will not be a good one and Iraq will be shown to not have helped out our War on Terror much.
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You know if we cared what everyone around the world thought of us how independent would we be?
What about Spain Deadshot? They backed down to the terrorists message. We are a country like no other. We don't back down based on threats attacks or what people/countries think of us, especially not Republicans.
As far as N. Korea and Iran goes…they are hyenas in that if they feel they spread more chaos is Iraq then we will be too busy or injured to deal with them then they can go about their agenda to plot against us, and that is a dangerous thing and will have to be dealt with.
I don’t feel it was wrong to go in, maybe in haste and maybe handled inappropriate at times, but we are there nonetheless and needs to end with a victory for Iraq and the US.
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