Democrats may deny funds for Iraq surge

GoRightAndYouCan'tGoWrong · #21 (**permalink**) 01-11-2007, 11:10 AM

Oh and deadshot....don't get me started about an adminstration that sat on "his" hands!

George O Well · #22 (**permalink**) 01-11-2007, 11:11 AM

"Do you really think there will be a ground swell of anger from the American people if we do cut funding or begin a pull out?"

>>>From a small percentage of Bush blowhards. They'll just have to get over it.

GoRightAndYouCan'tGoWrong · #23 (**permalink**) 01-11-2007, 11:12 AM

how about 3000 american families that have made the sacrafices George.

George O Well · #24 (**permalink**) 01-11-2007, 11:12 AM

"The troops say that winning the war is what they want."

>>>Baloney. And besides, we don't always get what we want.

nathanbforrest45 · #25 (**permalink**) 01-11-2007, 11:21 AM

Polls, who cares what the polls say? Polls do not make something right or wrong. The polls said at one time the Sun revolved around the Earth. Everyone believed that, that did not make it true. Getting out of Iraq is not the right thing to do, losing is not an option. Every breath taken by this government, both Democrat and Republican should be taken for the specific purpose of finding the best way of winning this war in Iraq. Everytime we take a poltical position that losing is an option we do and when we lose we diminish ourselves as a people and a nation.

Deadshot · #26 (**permalink**) 01-11-2007, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by GoRightAndYouCan'tGoWrong

You still don't get it. It's not about power withing in our parties! It's not about your party or my party or the party in the middle. It is about the future of this country, the continuing freedoms, safety life as you know it.

But then you have no representation. I don't like everything about my party, the Dems, but I agree with this strategy and I support them over the Republicans.

If you don't like the Dems and your not happy with the Reps, who represents you? Who is there that could possibly bring your ideals and thoughts forward?

This is an evil that hates everything about you. They don't give a shit about your party. They hate you becasue the way you treat women, the rights you have to observe all religions, wealth and the world dominance that they wish to acheive. They (our enemy) have way more resolve than you. They don't care how long it takes; the goal for them is the destruction of the western civilization as you and I know it.

Well to be honest, most of the people of the Middle East don't particularly like the way we treat women, our religion or our rights. If you were to really investigate it, I don't believe that many in the Middle East would dislike the fall of the West. But to be honest, most of us in the West wouldn't mind seeing the fall of the Middle East

The hands of the military were tied due to your side wanting war to be a powder puff party.

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!! Bush and Co. had total control, could override any Dem challenge, all we could do is bitch for the last 3+ years! They could've done whatever they please, your party failed you. Plain and simple.

You/we should have to have no mercy when fighting this type of enemy. They showed us no mercy in all their attack on us here and abroad. Win and win without a concience is what it will take. Wake up and smell the crap you are shoveling.

You really need to wake up here. If we're talking about a brigade of the VC, or Waffen SS attempting to isolate one of our brigades then we'd be fine. Instead we're talking about terrorists attacks that strike and fade back into the civilian population - who aren't supporting us. Believe it or not, GoRight, I agree with you that War should be fought without conscience until victory is assured. The problem is that these are terrorist fighting a war against us. These terrorist control a certain segment of not only the population, but the politicians. Remember we want to turn over to the Iraqis a safe, viable government - so we must work with them. They're using that against us.

So IMHO, that tells me that they're not ready to work with us to complete our goal - ergo it's time to leave. You and I just see the mission differently. BTW, how do you win hearts and minds when you have to invade a village and subject it to military occupation just to catch a few terrorists that just bombed you convoy? How'd that approach work in Vietnam?

George O Well · #27 (**permalink**) 01-11-2007, 11:35 AM

"Everytime we take a poltical position that losing is an option we do and when we lose we diminish ourselves as a people and a nation."

>>>We lost this particular war the day we elected Bush. And if we pulled out this afternoon, I wouldn't feel diminished in the least.

Get us a leader who doesn't LIE to get us into unnecessary wars and maybe I would feel diminshed by losing.

nathanbforrest45 · #28 (**permalink**) 01-11-2007, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by George O Well

"Everytime we take a poltical position that losing is an option we do and when we lose we diminish ourselves as a people and a nation."

>>>We lost this particular war the day we elected Bush. And if we pulled out this afternoon, I wouldn't feel diminished in the least.

Get us a leader who doesn't LIE to get us into unnecessary wars and maybe I would feel diminshed by losing.

So George, its allright to lose if the President lied to get us involved? Is that why it was ok to lose Vietnam, because Johnson lied about the Tonkin Gulf incident? Would it have been ok to lose World War 1 because Wilson lied about its impact on the United States if we did not enter it?

What kind of war do you think it would be permissible to win?

Kix · #29 (**permalink**) 01-11-2007, 11:51 AM

The same people who lost the Vietnam war for us are the ones working so desperately to lose this war for us. It's too bad they haven't all died or gone away, perhaps the Great United States of America could get back to being Great again.

Deadshot · #30 (**permalink**) 01-11-2007, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45

So George, its allright to lose if the President lied to get us involved? Is that why it was ok to lose Vietnam, because Johnson lied about the Tonkin Gulf incident? Would it have been ok to lose World War 1 because Wilson lied about its impact on the United States if we did not enter it?

What kind of war do you think it would be permissible to win?

We should win every war. But that said, Wilsons lie didn't matter much because the Allies won soon after are involvement started. Johnsons lie mattered because we didn't win. Bush's lie matters because we are not, even by his own admission, winning this war.

One other thing here, most Reps were up in arms and there was an impeachment brought against Clinton for lying about sex, something in which no one died. The Dems said they're not going to impeach Bush, not trials, no embarrassment, just get us out of Iraq.

Let's not talk about lying, you guys have no more footing then we do.