Storman: Nope, not at all. I don't think anyone can make an entire industry especially one as complex as a WMD industry disappear without a trace. No way. Would it have been nice to have been in there unfettered before the war? Sure, then we wouldn't have had the prime reason to commit to this war. But me thinks they would've tried to find a reason anyway.

Smitty: I gave you the links. what more do i need to say?

Storman: Sure they can....if they have the courage and the fortitude to admit that they were wrong in the first place. And I've explained time and time again the differing circumstances of those reports.

Smitty: Oh so their assesment back in 2002 doesent count if they admit to being wrong? I guess they need to watch it before they put their name on something then dont they?

Storman:I knew a handful of DIA and CIA people...all worker bee/analyst types...all of them had serious qualms regarding what the heads of their agencies were saying.

Smitty: Ahh yes..The DIA on the Anacostia/Bolling AFB. I was stationed on that base once. I used to live at the enterprise hall barraks. They have a lovely track along the anacostia river. I used to run it every morning from the barraks to the end near the naval research lab. That was when HMX was there though. Yeah I know a few people too.

Storman: And you're theory is wrong about, Bush....I don't see how any reasonable person can come to that conclusion. And he fired Rumsfeld only after the November elections served as a nasty wake-up call. There was nothing like that when he finally admitted that Iraq had NO WMD. I wonder if Colin Powel feels like he was hung out to dry??

Smitty: Thanks for proving my point! Rumsfield was fired to raise bushes popularity! Thank about what you just said!

Storman: Interesting choice of words there, Marine......nobody breaks me down

Smitty: I was referring to the other issues you have droped along this thread in light of my information.

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Nothing....your links failed to convince me given my supporting evidence and logic.

Smitty, as a researcher myself, you come up with answers based on the best data available at the time. But, the trick is not to over extend yourself and make statements that the data doesn't support.

And when you come across better, more reliable information and data....you employ it....even if it means contradicting what you stated previously.

Yep....I've been there many times....but, only to visit DIA. The Washington Navy yard was another main stop.

Ummm....smitty, I don't think I proved your "point". He acted for his own popularity only after something drastic and shocking...like the November elections. That didn't happen back in 2004. And again his popularity would be much more enhanced if they had found Saddam's dreaded arsenal of WMDs.

Well, smitty, this has been fun....I'm going go drink a few barley pops....have a good night.

Storman: Nothing....your links failed to convince me given my supporting evidence and logic.

Smitty: Obviously



Storman: Smitty, as a researcher myself, you come up with answers based on the best data available at the time. But, the trick is not to over extend yourself and make statements that the data doesn't support.

Smitty: But that doesent change my point. The CIA released that information and put their name on it! Now they change their mind? How does this make me any less right?

Storman: And when you come across better, more reliable information and data....you employ it....even if it means contradicting what you stated previously.

Smitty: The point is we went to war with the all the intellegents agencys, republicans, and democrats backing it up!

Storman: Yep....I've been there many times....but, only to visit DIA. The Washington Navy yard was another main stop.

Smitty: It was my first duty station. There are only two jobs marines do on that base as a unit. Mabey you know were I was.

Storman: Ummm....smitty, I don't think I proved your "point". He acted for his own popularity only after something drastic and shocking...like the November elections. That didn't happen back in 2004. And again his popularity would be much more enhanced if they had found Saddam's dreaded arsenal of WMDs.

Smitty: You dont just fire your secratary of defence with 6 years of experiance no matter what his popularity is. If he made mistakes he sure as hell learned from them. He was the most qualified man for that job yester day and still is today! The fact that the american people are disatisfyed with the war is infact the reason he was fired. In the hopes that it would rise Bushes Popularity with the people who wanted him out! You see?



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I never wanted us to go in the first place. The same thing that is in it for me now that we did go in to Iraq....NOTHING!!! Nothing for you either. Nothing for the families of the fallen, the people of Iraq will still see no money from the wealth of their land. SO A BIG NOTHING, MUCH LIKE VIETNAM.

You better go get 'em then, you guys like to finish the job, don't ya?

"90 per cent of respondents think the situation in their country was better before the U.S.-led invasion."

>>>My guess is that, if asked BEFORE the invasion, a large majority of Iraqis would have said: "America - stay the fuck out." But we only consulted neocons, so what the hey.

A lot of them would probably have said - 'well, it's gotta be better than living in a dictatorship' but had they been able to get a glimpse of the hell in store would almost definitely have said - 'fuck it, better the devil you know!'.

Its funny that it will be worse if we pull out. That is what you want to do right?

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Thank god you arent fighting this war. Thank god you will never fight a war. The troops want to accomplish the mission in Iraq. You would rather they pull out in defeat and have fought for no reason as millions of iraqis die and an new impowered iran busts through sanctions with their new oil to the point of bringing the world to its knees! Is this what you want? Do you want to send the message that terror can win agensts america? Of course you do. And in the end you just want to blame it on bush and get more votes for the liberals when it was your idea to pull out in the first place. Where am I untrue in this statement.

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