Iraqis Say They Were Better Off Under Hussein

gixaholic · #21 (**permalink**) 01-05-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by StormanNorman

OK kids, let's review (since I have been through this argument so many times). The CIA did a very comprehensive study INSIDE Iraq after the war. They found no evidence (zero, natta, zip) of a current WMD program in Iraq....at least, not since 1991. Not only did they not have any WMDs, they didn't have the means to make them, no expertise, no infrastructure, etc. See the link below.

https://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq...004/index.html

Here are some clips of their findings:

Now, this is not from some newspaper article, fellas.

There is another set of reports from the Senate Select Intel Committee that cast serious doubts on much of the HUMINT coming out of Iraq regarding the alleged WMD programs. They state (Conclusion #2, Pg 113)

http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf
http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiinc.pdf

One last point (for smitty, Gix, and Diz), if it is really a possibility that Syria has some or all of Saddam's dreaded WMD arsenal, then why are we just sitting with our thumbs up our asses? We are pressuring Iran and N. Korea....why not Syria? Maybe because the Bush Administration has faced reality....at least when it comes to Iraq's WMDs....or lack thereof. Not to mention....do you really think they could've moved them into Syria without us detecting this mass movement??

so there was a misinformation campaign....hmmmmm. If the government is so deviouse then why this might be misinformation aswell...........

StormanNorman · #22 (**permalink**) 01-05-2007, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by gixaholic

ok kids why do libs love polls. Everyone knows polls can be skewed in any direction they choose them to. I wonder what the demographics where of the people who took this poll. And as with any poll most of the questions are loaded .

Anyway there are countless articles factually reporting the opposite of what this
poll sais.

Poll? What poll, gix? This isn't a poll. These are OFFICIAL government studies by the CIA and the Senate. What the hell are you talking about? Yes, I'm sure you can find some WND articles saying the opposite. But who do you find more credible on this topic, Gix, World Net Daily News or the Iraq Study Group findings and the Senate Intelligence Committee?

StormanNorman · #23 (**permalink**) 01-05-2007, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by gixaholic

so there was a misinformation campaign....hmmmmm. If the government is so deviouse then why this might be misinformation aswell...........

OK Gix....or else they are realizing that we were badly wrong and are admitting it. Also, Gix, Democrats don't control the CIA or the Senate Intel Committee. The former is pretty conservative and the latter was controlled by the Republicans at the time.

You didn't address my point about Syria and our lack of action against them. If it's really a possibility that Syria has some or all of Iraq's WMDs, why aren't we doing anything about it? Syria has certainly had ties to terrorism....more so than Iraq. We're pressuring Iran and N. Korea, but not Syria....why?

cat's meow · #24 (**permalink**) 01-05-2007, 08:07 PM

And the Kurds get screwed in the end, sectarian violence is at an all time high...

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Saddam’s Kind of Justice,
But in America’s Name
By Joe Conason

The trial and punishment of the late Saddam Hussein ought to have been accomplished with respect for law and human dignity—not necessarily because the former dictator deserved such consideration, but because all who have died in the name of democracy over the past three years certainly do.

Instead, his hurried hanging at dawn by a gang of masked guards in leather jackets was all too reminiscent of the lawless carnage routinely carried out in the old Baathist regime’s prison cells. Indeed, the ugly event took place on the first day of the Muslim festival of Eid al-Adha, as celebrated by the Sunnis, in the same building where Saddam’s secret police used to string up his political opponents. Among the many things that have not improved much in Iraq since the U.S. invasion is the administration of criminal justice.

Intentionally or ineptly, the Bush administration permitted this embarrassment to be perpetrated in the name of the American people. The President contributed his own special combination of false and foolish commentary when he released a statement praising the execution as the result of “a fair trial.”

What Mr. Bush means when he utters those words is unclear. Spoken by him, such rhetorical phrases are devoid of their historical meaning in American and international law. It is very unlikely that the President actually knows whether Saddam received due process, and even less likely that he cares. He may well have received the customary reassurances from Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, who always made certain that his brief deliberations on executions as Texas governor were free of confusing facts, wholly predetermined and, oh yes, “fair.”

For those who do care about the reputation of American justice as well as the prospects for a civilized future in Iraq, the way that Saddam met his end was not uplifting. After decades of totalitarian rule, there were few qualified Iraqi jurists available to deal properly with the massive docket of crimes committed by the Baathist government. Human Rights Watch—which exposed Saddam’s abuses back when he was still being coddled by Republican politicians—urged the creation of a competent tribunal that included both Iraqi and international judges. But the Bush administration disdains all international institutions, so that wise proposal was dismissed.

The Iraqi High Tribunal, set up and operated with U.S. assistance, was unable to run the court with any semblance of impartiality or independence during the trial of Saddam and his co-defendants for mass killings in the town of Dujail. According to a November 2006 report by Human Rights Watch, the defense attorneys had no reliable means to submit evidence and motions, or even to receive accreditation to represent their clients. The court was unable to keep track of submitted documents—and copies of the investigative dossier that formed the main body of prosecution evidence, as provided to defense counsel, were largely illegible.

No security measures were taken to protect the defense lawyers before the Dujail trial, so several of them were promptly murdered as soon as it began. Those who survived were unable to effectively question prosecution witnesses. Meanwhile, prosecutors acted as public spokesmen for the tribunal, casting doubt on its fairness, as did constant prejudicial comments and announcements emanating from the Iraqi national-security advisor.

The kangaroo-court proceedings concluded in late December with a mockery of the right to appeal. With only 30 days to prepare and argue their case against the predetermined verdict, the defense lawyers didn’t receive the 300-page guilty opinion until more than halfway through that period. They had less than two weeks to respond.

When the appeal was denied on Dec. 26, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, described as “frantic” to see his enemy executed, signed a death warrant of dubious legitimacy in violation of Iraqi law. On a secretly recorded video, the hanging looks and sounds much like an old-fashioned lynching. The noose is fitted and the trap door springs while a jeering mob screams “Muqtada! Muqtada!” in homage to Muqtada al-Sadr, the anti-American Shiite warlord.

They don’t even do a fair trial that way in Texas anymore.

gixaholic · #25 (**permalink**) 01-05-2007, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by cat's meow

And the Kurds get screwed in the end, sectarian violence is at an all time high...

this shows how much you know. The kurds have been prospering without saddam.

http://www.theotheriraq.com/

gixaholic · #26 (**permalink**) 01-05-2007, 08:26 PM

Even the prime minister MALAKI sais that the current conflict that is takig place is between waring Gangs and terrorists

MidEaster · #27 (**permalink**) 01-05-2007, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by gixaholic

this shows how much you know. The kurds have been prospering without saddam.

http://www.theotheriraq.com/

Jeez, those Kurds make it sound like all the Iraqis suck....

cat's meow · #28 (**permalink**) 01-05-2007, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by gixaholic

this shows how much you know. The kurds have been prospering without saddam.

http://www.theotheriraq.com/

Just wait a few year my friend and lets see what what the other sects do to justify violence against them...

"OH, but Saddam was never convicted of those crimes/murders so that makes it fine to persecute Kurds"

gixaholic · #29 (**permalink**) 01-05-2007, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MidEaster

Jeez, those Kurds make it sound like all the Iraqis suck....

lol i tell ya

gixaholic · #30 (**permalink**) 01-05-2007, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cat's meow

Just wait a few year my friend and lets see what what the other sects do to justify violence against them...

"OH, but Saddam was never convicted of those crimes/murders so that makes it fine to persecute Kurds"

when are you going to realize this whole FAUX civil war has been instigated by alquida. And most of the big show attacks are alquida terrorist attacks and allote of the small stuff like kidnappings and killing are gang and faction related