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12-19-2006, 10:06 PM
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its getting tougher to have a liberal stance
it used to be easy
when this iraq war first started i admired the liberals, because they tended to think that there was not enough grounds to start a war, or they didn't trust Bush's intentions, and some of them were able to see this shitfuck of a situation we have now coming from a long way away... many liberal thinkers saw coming what the bush administration had not apparently..
but now that the war is on, and the shit has hit the fan, the arguments of "this war is unjust" or "this war is going to lead to chaos" are all obsolete... old news, if you will. What's the point of me making a thread in here about how I think the Iraq war is unjust?? Who cares? It's on now. We have more important things to think about now.
So what do the liberals have left to shout to show disapproval of the war? "Bring the troops home"... basically "end the war" or "cut and run" as some call it.
But are the liberals right this time? I know their hearts are in the right place, but maybe now, that we are in this situation that we are in, maybe the answer can't be "no war" anymore.. maybe its too late for a "no war" stance.
You know, maybe getting up and leaving abruptly would do more harm than good. I say maybe because i dont know.
liberals cant argue about what a big mistake they think going to war with iraq is anymore... all they have left to debate is HOW to fix such a complicated situation.
and who the hell knows that???
thats why its tougher to be a liberal these days. before it was "noooooo!! don't do it!! its gonna be chaos!!! think of all those countless innocent casualties!!! we dont trust you, bush!!"
but now its "Ummmmmmm..... we gotta find a way out of this conflict"
i hope bush's long awaited strategy after the holidays or whatever will have a positive impact on things...
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12-19-2006, 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by hexum
it used to be easy
when this iraq war first started i admired the liberals, because they tended to think that there was not enough grounds to start a war, or they didn't trust Bush's intentions, and some of them were able to see this shitfuck of a situation we have now coming from a long way away... many liberal thinkers saw coming what the bush administration had not apparently..
but now that the war is on, and the shit has hit the fan, the arguments of "this war is unjust" or "this war is going to lead to chaos" are all obsolete... old news, if you will. What's the point of me making a thread in here about how I think the Iraq war is unjust?? Who cares? It's on now. We have more important things to think about now.
So what do the liberals have left to shout to show disapproval of the war? "Bring the troops home"... basically "end the war" or "cut and run" as some call it.
But are the liberals right this time? I know their hearts are in the right place, but maybe now, that we are in this situation that we are in, maybe the answer can't be "no war" anymore.. maybe its too late for a "no war" stance.
You know, maybe getting up and leaving abruptly would do more harm than good. I say maybe because i dont know.
liberals cant argue about what a big mistake they think going to war with iraq is anymore... all they have left to debate is HOW to fix such a complicated situation.
and who the hell knows that???
thats why its tougher to be a liberal these days. before it was "noooooo!! don't do it!! its gonna be chaos!!! think of all those countless innocent casualties!!! we dont trust you, bush!!"
but now its "Ummmmmmm..... we gotta find a way out of this conflict"
i hope bush's long awaited strategy after the holidays or whatever will have a positive impact on things...
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12-20-2006, 01:53 AM
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The liberals should start helping in thinking of ways to win this war, and not saying how wrong the US was, how stupid the Bush admin. was, etc.
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12-20-2006, 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by hexum
it used to be easy
when this iraq war first started i admired the liberals, because they tended to think that there was not enough grounds to start a war, or they didn't trust Bush's intentions, and some of them were able to see this shitfuck of a situation we have now coming from a long way away... many liberal thinkers saw coming what the bush administration had not apparently..
but now that the war is on, and the shit has hit the fan, the arguments of "this war is unjust" or "this war is going to lead to chaos" are all obsolete... old news, if you will. What's the point of me making a thread in here about how I think the Iraq war is unjust?? Who cares? It's on now. We have more important things to think about now.
So what do the liberals have left to shout to show disapproval of the war? "Bring the troops home"... basically "end the war" or "cut and run" as some call it.
But are the liberals right this time? I know their hearts are in the right place, but maybe now, that we are in this situation that we are in, maybe the answer can't be "no war" anymore.. maybe its too late for a "no war" stance.
You know, maybe getting up and leaving abruptly would do more harm than good. I say maybe because i dont know.
liberals cant argue about what a big mistake they think going to war with iraq is anymore... all they have left to debate is HOW to fix such a complicated situation.
and who the hell knows that???
thats why its tougher to be a liberal these days. before it was "noooooo!! don't do it!! its gonna be chaos!!! think of all those countless innocent casualties!!! we dont trust you, bush!!"
but now its "Ummmmmmm..... we gotta find a way out of this conflict"
i hope bush's long awaited strategy after the holidays or whatever will have a positive impact on things...
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For once Hexum I agree with you.
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12-20-2006, 02:54 AM
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I wouldn't worry my friends, they will have something when good and ready and will think through this much more than Cheney and Rummy did. They will be in office after the first of the year though.
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12-20-2006, 06:45 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hexum
it used to be easy
when this iraq war first started i admired the liberals, because they tended to think that there was not enough grounds to start a war, or they didn't trust Bush's intentions, and some of them were able to see this shitfuck of a situation we have now coming from a long way away... many liberal thinkers saw coming what the bush administration had not apparently..
but now that the war is on, and the shit has hit the fan, the arguments of "this war is unjust" or "this war is going to lead to chaos" are all obsolete... old news, if you will. What's the point of me making a thread in here about how I think the Iraq war is unjust?? Who cares? It's on now. We have more important things to think about now.
So what do the liberals have left to shout to show disapproval of the war? "Bring the troops home"... basically "end the war" or "cut and run" as some call it.
But are the liberals right this time? I know their hearts are in the right place, but maybe now, that we are in this situation that we are in, maybe the answer can't be "no war" anymore.. maybe its too late for a "no war" stance.
You know, maybe getting up and leaving abruptly would do more harm than good. I say maybe because i dont know.
liberals cant argue about what a big mistake they think going to war with iraq is anymore... all they have left to debate is HOW to fix such a complicated situation.
and who the hell knows that???
thats why its tougher to be a liberal these days. before it was "noooooo!! don't do it!! its gonna be chaos!!! think of all those countless innocent casualties!!! we dont trust you, bush!!"
but now its "Ummmmmmm..... we gotta find a way out of this conflict"
i hope bush's long awaited strategy after the holidays or whatever will have a positive impact on things...
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Hex, Bush needs to learn that if you're in deep hole and you're trying to get out of it---the first thing you need to do is stop digging!!!!
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12-20-2006, 08:54 AM
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12-20-2006, 09:36 AM
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Hex, Bush needs to learn that if you're in deep hole and you're trying to get out of it---the first thing you need to do is stop digging!!!!
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Well Rasta as usual you are still bashing but not offering anything credible to us.
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12-20-2006, 09:50 AM
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Sorry Meow, Senators and congress do not establish strategic plans. The new class entering in January will have no real effect on the way the war is executed, other than to possibly cut funding and hamper the ability of the military.
I agree completely with Hexum. The time for a strategic change is high. The blame game and politics should not be played now.
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12-20-2006, 10:43 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hexum
it used to be easy
when this iraq war first started i admired the liberals, because they tended to think that there was not enough grounds to start a war, or they didn't trust Bush's intentions, and some of them were able to see this shitfuck of a situation we have now coming from a long way away... many liberal thinkers saw coming what the bush administration had not apparently..
but now that the war is on, and the shit has hit the fan, the arguments of "this war is unjust" or "this war is going to lead to chaos" are all obsolete... old news, if you will. What's the point of me making a thread in here about how I think the Iraq war is unjust?? Who cares? It's on now. We have more important things to think about now.
So what do the liberals have left to shout to show disapproval of the war? "Bring the troops home"... basically "end the war" or "cut and run" as some call it.
But are the liberals right this time? I know their hearts are in the right place, but maybe now, that we are in this situation that we are in, maybe the answer can't be "no war" anymore.. maybe its too late for a "no war" stance.
You know, maybe getting up and leaving abruptly would do more harm than good. I say maybe because i dont know.
liberals cant argue about what a big mistake they think going to war with iraq is anymore... all they have left to debate is HOW to fix such a complicated situation.
and who the hell knows that???
thats why its tougher to be a liberal these days. before it was "noooooo!! don't do it!! its gonna be chaos!!! think of all those countless innocent casualties!!! we dont trust you, bush!!"
but now its "Ummmmmmm..... we gotta find a way out of this conflict"
i hope bush's long awaited strategy after the holidays or whatever will have a positive impact on things...
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Well, you can thank your media for taking away all your arugments. This war was lost in the press before it was even fought on the ground.
Not to worry though, you won't have to find something to argue about for much longer. It will all be over soon as Queen Nancy takes her throne and her anti-war house of ill-repute cuts 100% of the funding out from under the war to intiate the never to be called "Operation Cut and Run". They've already figured out they can do that without President Bush's signature.
God help any troops or Americans that get left behind when the mass pullout takes place, because we'll never hear from or see them again. So if you thought the war was going badly, what's coming will be ten times worse.
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