Yes or no on funding has a BIG effect on how the war will be fought...did I miss something? If they do not like the plan...

They also have sub-committees that give big recommendations that have an effect on policy too, I think you are missing some of the finer points here of the bigger picture in Washington. Otherwise, why do these guys go on 'fact finding missions, etc'?

The plan is already set to cut funding and bring an immediate end to the war. They'll leave ONLY enough left to bring the troops home.

The blame game and politics should NEVER have been played, but hey, that's how elections are won, right?

It's also how wars are lost and entire countries are sacrificed in order for a few to gain power.

To find out what it will cost to bring the troops home so they know how much to leave in the till.

So we can just accept that we can dump our military anywhere and just say "Whoops, well we are here now" I don't buy it. WE WERE LIED TO AND SOLD A BILL OF GOODS. YOU CONS BIT THE HOOK, YOU BOUGHT THE GLOSSY PR JUNKETT, SHAME ON YOU!

COME ON SPITTY! YOU NOT REALLY GOING TO USE THAT ARGUEMENT FOR THE CURRENT SITUATION ARE YOU? I THINK THAT SORT OF BITCHING SHOULD HAVE BEEN LEFT IN THE PAST AND WE SHOULD LOOK AT WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO ACOMPLISH THE MISSION NOW! NO ONE REJECTS THAT SADDAM NEEDED TO BE REMOVED! THE IRAQI PEOPLE ARE "EVEN NOW" SAFER WITHOUT SADDAM!

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Fear leads to Anger...Anger leads to Hate...Hate leads to Suffering.

ITS EASY! HIS ARGUEMENT IS REDICULOUS AND HAS NO RELEVENCE TWARD THE SUBJECT OF US POLICY. LIBERALS CANNOT BLAME THE INVASION ON THE CURRENT SITUATION! THE INSERGENCY WAS UNEXPECTED BY BOTH PARTYS WEATHER THE WAR WAS JUSTIFIED OR NOT! IF IT WASNT FOR THE INSERGENCY IRAQ WOULD BE ON ITS OWN NOW! HENCE LEAVE IT IN THE PAST. THE INVASION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CURRENT IRAQI SITUATION! CLINTON IS JUST AN EASY REFERENCE TO DISCREDIT LIBERALS AND MAKE THEM MAD AND HE DOES HAVE SOME RELEVENTS ON CURRENT EVENTS SHOULD THEY POP UP FROM TIME TO TIME! JUST LIKE BUSH IS! HOWEVER IT IS ALWAYS RELEVENT TO THE CURRENT TOPIC "WHATEVER THAT TOPIC IS" AND DOES NOT POSE A REDICULOUS ARGUEMENT!

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If this is your belief, perhaps you should leave all the Pre-election "Liberal" rhetoric out of your posts.
It’s not just the Liberals, It is Moderates, Independents and yes, even Republicans sans the far right, who believe a course correction is far over due.
This war has been politically driven from the onset. The Rumsfeld doctrine of using just enough troops to lose, is/was politically driven. The insistence that we were winning the war, right up to November 6th, was all about politics. And who are the Pawns of this political game? The brave Americans on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan. The rising insurgency in Afghanistan is a direct result of our failures in Iraq. The lack of resources for the war in Afghanistan has created an environment for the return of the Taliban. And they are not just a rag tag bunch of insurgents; they are well-equipped, well-trained fighting forces that give our troops all they can handle.
Now before you dismiss me as just another Liberal venting, I stand with McCain and his feelings that our troop strength in Iraq should be increased. There is probably very little chance of this happening now, but there was ample opportunity for the 31/2 years prior to the election. I’m not going to play the blame game, with the exception of saying; it all falls in the lap of the Commander and Chief.
Thank you for your service to our country.
By the way, all caps signify that you are yelling at those you are responding to, and Ronald Reagan’s last name has 2As n it. REAGAN.

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GRAY: If this is your belief, perhaps you should leave all the Pre-election "Liberal" rhetoric out of your posts.
It’s not just the Liberals, It is Moderates, Independents and yes, even Republicans sans the far right, who believe a course correction is far over due.

SMITTY: MY STATEMENT APPLYES FOR ALL!

GREAY:This war has been politically driven from the onset. The Rumsfeld doctrine of using just enough troops to lose, is/was politically driven. The insistence that we were winning the war, right up to November 6th, was all about politics. And who are the Pawns of this political game? The brave Americans on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan. The rising insurgency in Afghanistan is a direct result of our failures in Iraq. The lack of resources for the war in Afghanistan has created an environment for the return of the Taliban.

SMITTY:YOU CAN CHUNK THAT TRASH! IF LIBERALS WANTED IRAQ TO BE A SUCCESS THEY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN MORE INVOLVED AND BACKED THE TROOPS! BUT THEY CAMPAIGN OFF OF THE FAILURES OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION SO THEY ALLOW IT TO PERSIST! THEY FIND CONTRAVERSY AND EXPLOIT IT FOR MORE VOTES! NOW THEY WANT TO PULL OUT AND WATCH IRAQ DESTROY ITSELF! OTHERE WANT TO ESTABLISH DIPLOMACY WITH OUR ENEMYS!

greay:And they are not just a rag tag bunch of insurgents; they are well-equipped, well-trained fighting forces that give our troops all they can handle.
Now before you dismiss me as just another Liberal venting, I stand with McCain and his feelings that our troop strength in Iraq should be increased.

SMITTY: I AGREE WITH MCAIN! AND I KNOW HOW SERIOUS THESE GUYS ARE!


greay:There is probably very little chance of this happening now, but there was ample opportunity for the 31/2 years prior to the election. I’m not going to play the blame game, with the exception of saying; it all falls in the lap of the Commander and Chief.
Thank you for your service to our country.
By the way, all caps signify that you are yelling at those you are responding to, and Ronald Reagan’s last name has 2As n it. REAGAN.[/quote]


I DONT MEAN TO BE YELLING! I JUST LIKE TO STAND OUT! i will quit it though because i think it is giving a bad impression!

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I respectfully disagree, Smitty, Those that spoke out against the direction the administration was going were deemed un American and pro Terrorist. I am not talking about Murtha and the like. The more moderate Republicans who only now voice concerns were equally silent. Of course you realize that all three bodies of government were under the control of the Republicans, and the Democrats were excluded from much of the Intel provided the chairs of the Intelligence and Appropriation committees.
Let’s face it, short of the results of the election, GWB, Cheney and Rumsfeld were going to plod on as usual. I would go even further as to say, if the Republicans had held the House and Senate; Rumsfeld would still be in charge at the DoD.
The elections were a slap back to reality for this administration and quite frankly, they have been back peddling every since. Rumsfeld’s departure and the more recent statements by GWB as just a few examples.

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