First, let me say I'm not Democrat or Republican. But what I really want to know is why all the liberals insist on the war in Iraq is a civil war. It's like if someone questions the idea that it's a civil war, all the libs go nuts and say it's of course it's a civil war!

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They wont enter an arguement that they know there going to lose! Its the lesson clinton learned when he showed up on fox news. I dont think any liberal will again!

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From what I just read in Bush is a Repile, they seem to think they are too nice to get involved. They are to intelligent and don't like the name calling...they are above all that

If being a democrat means being a liberal, then here I am. I've read you and Smittys posts on this subject and I bow to your expertise. However, generalizations (all the liberals) are nasty.

I DO GENERALISE DONT I. I HATE POLITICS AND THINK IT IS THE MOST DESCUSTING PRACTICE KNOWNED TO MAN. HOWEVER I VOTE FOR THE LESSER OF THE 2 EVILS. IN THE END THEY ARE ALL ONE BIG HEAPING PILE OF SHIT! I JUST VOTE FOR THE SMALLER PILE OF SHIT! WHO EVER SUPPORTS THE TROOPS AND IS WILLING TO BACK UP US POLICY IS WHO I VOTE FOR!

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From wikipedia,

A civil war is a war in which parties within the same culture, society or nationality fight against each other for the control of political power. Political scientists use two criteria: the warring groups must be from the same country and fighting for control of the political center, control over a separatist state or to force a major change in policy. The second criterion is that at least 1,000 people must have been killed in total, with at least 100 from each side..[1]

this is why,

a conservative military point of view.

Powell: 'We Are Losing' in Iraq
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/IraqCovera...2733112&page=1

Pretty clear to me...then again...peanut butter in hair...walk on hands...you know the drill...

Cat's Meow, they warring groups are not from the same country, though. It's Al-Qaeda and Saddamists vs. the Iraqis advocating democracy and fighting for it.

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So you are telling us that Sunni, Shiite and Kurds are united hand in hand. When the Americans leave they will fight side by side for a common goal. Maybe you are in denial, what are you sunni or shiite?

To be fair the fact that there are insurgents from other countries does give it a different dimension & category.

It seems to be a proxy war between what form of Islam will dominate the country. The parties in this battle are in Iraq but are being financed funded & manned by States outside the theater.

The picture it really seems to brings forward though is the fact that historically the ME was not so hard & fast in it's nation state boundaries. One could postulate that Iraq IS becoming the battle ground for the future of the entire ME both in what form of Islam will dominate to what form or % will it incorporate democracy. Though the US started this precess it is increasingly beyond the scope of it to control militarily. There MUST be a broader political solution for our soldiers & for the peoples of Iraq.

It is becoming more than a civil war it is becoming a battle for the Soul of the Middle East.