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12-17-2006, 06:09 PM
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Where were the terrorists Rules of Engagement during Sept 11? See you liberals really do aprove of this! You say we shouldent kill our enemys because they might get mad?! Your all crazy!
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Hitler would have needed your mind set on the EASTERN FRONT!!! 
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12-17-2006, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by StormanNorman
Dom, they are part of the rules of engagement (ROE). I wish I could download for you guys some AC-130 footage from Afghanistan and you can see the very, very stringent ROE at work. The ROE was very strict from the get go in Afghanistan even just after 9/11. And there were reasons for this....an it's not because of fear of the liberal backlash....that's ridiculous....that's just another blame game.
Now, I'm not justifying some of these things. But the motivation is the following: in these kinds of wars where you rely heavily on indigenous intel, you don't want to alienate the population at any costs, period.
I don't know what happened in this case. When there is a perceived question mark when it comes to the ROE, things get very sticky and they slow down because the decision making becomes very centralized. The ROE can be gray at times...this may have been one of those times....at least, for the Predator controllers.
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Sometimes it needs to be an honest mistake to push a buton! Lets think about all thoes other liberal backlashes. Gitmo, Stay the course, Air Strikes that hurt civilians as well as terrorists, Terrorists getting killed in mosqus on video, mosques getting bombed, etc etc... Liberals care for everyone except americans and if you want to fight a war you better do it in a nice humaine manner! Remember that terror cannot defeat america.....only americans can defeat america!
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12-17-2006, 06:16 PM
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Sometimes it needs to be an honest mistake to push a buton! Lets think about all thoes other liberal backlashes. Gitmo, Stay the course, Air Strikes that hurt civilians as well as terrorists, Terrorists getting killed in mosqus on video, mosques getting bombed, etc etc... Liberals care for everyone except americans and if you want to fight a war you better do it in a nice humaine manner! Remember that terror cannot defeat america.....only americans can defeat america!
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Would you feel the same way if Americans were constantly the victims of collateral damage?
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12-17-2006, 06:16 PM
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Hitler would have needed your mind set on the EASTERN FRONT!!! |
Rasta you know nothing about fighting a war. Liberals think there is a such thing as a fair war! You believe there is a humaine way of fighting a war and your wrong! Untill you pick up a rifle and fight such a war dont even think you can rate an opinion on this point! Liberals will always be traditionally knowned as pussys who lack the testicular fortitude do do anything in a violent manner, no matter what the consequence to their own troops and country!
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12-17-2006, 06:20 PM
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Hitler would have needed your mind set on the EASTERN FRONT!!! |
ok just like a lib. Cant win an argument so you bring up hiler. |
12-17-2006, 06:20 PM
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Rasta you know nothing about fighting a war. Liberals think there is a such thing as a fair war! You believe there is a humaine way of fighting a war and your wrong! Untill you pick up a rifle and fight such a war dont even think you can rate an opinion on this point! Liberals will always be traditionally knowned as pussys who lack the testicular fortitude do do anything in a violent manner, no matter what the consequence to their own troops and country!
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How would you deal with Americans becoming victims of collateral damages? How would you rationalize that scenario, especially if your family members became victims of collateral damage!! Answer the question.
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12-17-2006, 06:22 PM
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ok just like a lib. Cant win an argument so you bring up hiler.
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This was the strategy Hilter used in the Balkans and on the Eastern front. After all we are talking about combat here aren't we.
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12-17-2006, 06:26 PM
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Liberals care for everyone except americans and if you want to fight a war you better do it in a nice humaine manner!
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Absolute 100% bullshit. I'm typically on the liberal side and I take major exception to your characterization, smitty. The strict ROE and the reasons therein come down from pay grades that are much, much higher than yours. If you want to bitch about them, I suggest you go find an O6 or higher to vent your frustrations. |
12-17-2006, 06:27 PM
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Talk about a Bingo!!! Well said Norm, thanks
There are many examples of grey area as per the ROE and the miltary. This is only one story and why is it still coming back? Politics pure and simple and how you want to paint the left. Look, it is an old story and I am sure there are many others like it but even look at the date of the story. Just before the election and you are bringing it up again.  |
Roger that...thanks, Cat. |
12-17-2006, 06:28 PM
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you call yourself an american. Your comparing the most tragic day in american history to a pop song.
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I'm not actually, on both counts.
Oh, and that's the most tragic day in American history in your view and limited understanding of other people's suffering. |
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