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11-25-2006, 09:27 AM
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Sunday Marks Iraq Milestone For Military
US soon in Iraq longer than World War II
Washington - The US army will soon mark a milestone that the commander in chief, US President George W Bush, hardly anticipated.
On Sunday, the US will mark its 1,347th day in Iraq - the same amount of time the United States fought Germany and Japan in World War II.
With one of the worst 24-hour periods of carnage since the US-led invasion in 2003 - more than 170 people were killed from Thursday to Friday - Washington has no quick solution in mind.
To the contrary, US government officials and military leaders, including General John Abizaid, the top commander of US forces in the Middle East, warn of failure and civil war if the murdering militia and death squads are not quickly brought under control.
The Pentagon estimates there are at least 23 serious militia in Iraq. The biggest danger, US military experts say, is the Mahdi Army, the militia of the young Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr.
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11-25-2006, 09:47 AM
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Ok, I am just a country boy from Oklahoma, do you have point? Either you have point you want to make or you just happened to find this article by chance?
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11-25-2006, 10:29 AM
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Guess MC didn't want to bring up that Democratic success, Vietnam. That was what? 12 years?
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11-25-2006, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Still Dizzy
Guess MC didn't want to bring up that Democratic success, Vietnam. That was what? 12 years?
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Yes Viet Nam started with JFK, esclated with LBJ an Nixion a Republican ended it. 
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11-25-2006, 01:12 PM
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Yes Viet Nam started with JFK, esclated with LBJ an Nixion a Republican ended it. 
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Being a Republican myself I cant really see how the end result of Vietnam is something to brag about. People say we havent learned a lesson from such a war and that might be true if we pull out too early in Iraq. The only lesson to be learned from Vietnam is reguardless of the popular american opinion once the first Marine or Soldier falls we owe it to him as a nation to pull togather and see to it that he did not die for no purpose or result. Furthermore if they hate us enough to kill us then I have no problem in seeing to it that they never have the oportunity to do so anywhere in the world. The only way to win this war is sheer ruthlesness in wich the american people cant handel or stomach. As far as the length of time it takes who cares.
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11-25-2006, 01:18 PM
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Being a Republican myself I cant really see how the end result of Vietnam is something to brag about. People say we havent learned a lesson from such a war and that might be true if we pull out too early in Iraq. The only lesson to be learned from Vietnam is reguardless of the popular american opinion once the first Marine or Soldier falls we owe it to him as a nation to pull togather and see to it that he did not die for no purpose or result. Furthermore if they hate us enough to kill us then I have no problem in seeing to it that they never have the oportunity to do so anywhere in the world. The only way to win this war is sheer ruthlesness in wich the american people cant handel or stomach. As far as the length of time it takes who cares.
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Toby, I agree with you on that. The problem with most Americans today, they don't have the stomach to unite and fight like we did in WWII. MCF24 is just trying to stir the pot on this one. 
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11-25-2006, 04:16 PM
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i'm not stirring the pot,i'm making a point,that bush said this wan't going to last long,we be welcome with open arms,he told congress it cost about 60 billion,because of bush's lack of listening to the facts he has bogged us down in iraq,and for vietnam americans lost that war,same mistakes made in nam are being made in iraq,first thinking you can win by military force alone,lack of troops,miscalculating the cost,no clear exit plan,most would have a plan to enter and a plan to exit,by bush's thought that iraq would just roll over when we invaded was irresponcible,you can't just remove a president or ruler and think everything is going to turn up rosie,
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11-25-2006, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MCF24
i'm not stirring the pot,i'm making a point,that bush said this wan't going to last long,we be welcome with open arms,he told congress it cost about 60 billion,because of bush's lack of listening to the facts he has bogged us down in iraq,and for vietnam americans lost that war,same mistakes made in nam are being made in iraq,first thinking you can win by military force alone,lack of troops,miscalculating the cost,no clear exit plan,most would have a plan to enter and a plan to exit,by bush's thought that iraq would just roll over when we invaded was irresponcible,you can't just remove a president or ruler and think everything is going to turn up rosie,
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Iraq did roll over when we invaded and the war against iraq was short and within thoes numbers you speak of. However we are now fighting Syrian and Iranian insurgents. I know this because I have killed them myself. When the war agensts iraq was over there were no ied's or attacks for months. It took a while for the insergency to organise, stage, and take place. We are now fighting a war on terror in Iraq.
Furthermore We had a right to remove Saddam from power. All we asked was for him to show us where His WMD's were. He told us he had gotten rid of them. So we asked him to show us what he did with them. He wouldnt allow it. So he didnt cooperate with the terms the UN placed for him which is AN ACT OF WAR! The fact that the intell was bad is IRRELEVENT! He wouldnt cooperate with the UN inspectors so we hold the right to make him cooperate. We refused to let him and the world think that we wouldent hold him to our agreement (which the world had set for him) and im proud of our presedent for bringing the backbone back to America.
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11-25-2006, 08:12 PM
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Iraq did roll over when we invaded and the war against iraq was short and within thoes numbers you speak of. However we are now fighting Syrian and Iranian insurgents. I know this because I have killed them myself. When the war agensts iraq was over there were no ied's or attacks for months. It took a while for the insergency to organise, stage, and take place. We are now fighting a war on terror in Iraq.
Furthermore We had a right to remove Saddam from power. All we asked was for him to show us where His WMD's were. He told us he had gotten rid of them. So we asked him to show us what he did with them. He wouldnt allow it. So he didnt cooperate with the terms the UN placed for him which is AN ACT OF WAR! The fact that the intell was bad is IRRELEVENT! He wouldnt cooperate with the UN inspectors so we hold the right to make him cooperate. We refused to let him and the world think that we wouldent hold him to our agreement (which the world had set for him) and im proud of our presedent for bringing the backbone back to America.
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Very Well said
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11-25-2006, 08:20 PM
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Very Well said
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/03/21/iraq.weapons/
Except it is not factual.True all countries those with iron handed dictators or our own country if invaded woild be a raging insurgency but creating and killing enemies does not win wars. Leadership and attacking your enemies and not inciting those who are caught in the crossfire is more logical.
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