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12-09-2006, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by StormanNorman
We should be....but, we are little preoccupied at the moment...
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Why doesn't the UN go there? It is their job AND they are not preoccupied at the moment.
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12-09-2006, 06:49 PM
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Why doesn't the UN go there? It is their job AND they are not preoccupied at the moment.
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I don't know. With the US and UK committed in Iraq and some of the bigger NATO countries working in Afghanistan, maybe they don't have the means. I imagine that it would be a fairly large operation.
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12-09-2006, 07:01 PM
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It seems to me that if some of these Arab countries really wanted to prove they are what they claim they are, they'd offer to go stop the slaughter in Darfur. They'd certainly be more welcome by the government there than any Western nation.
But then again, I guess most of them are preoccupied at the moment as well, with all the preparations to take over Lebanon and Iraq and the elimination of Israel to plan for.
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12-09-2006, 07:07 PM
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It seems to me that if some of these Arab countries really wanted to prove they are what they claim they are, they'd offer to go stop the slaughter in Darfur. They'd certainly be more welcome by the government there than any Western nation.
But then again, I guess most of them are preoccupied at the moment as well, with all the preparations to take over Lebanon and Iraq and the elimination of Israel to plan for.
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Honestly, Kix, many of the Arab counties don't have the military capabilities necessary. It's not just people, it's lift, it's logistics, etc. I'm not trying to let them off the hook....they could certainly pay for a much larger chunk of any would be operation. But, in the end, it's probably going to have to be the West that takes the lead.
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12-09-2006, 09:19 PM
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The UN spent the first fifty years of its existance, appeasing the demands of East and West, caught between a Capitalist or Communist view of the world, who can we allow to be annexed by the Russian claw, who would fall under the protected wing of the US, so tied up in all this shit, the UN forgot to protect the citizens of Uganda under Idi Amin, decided not to enter into Kampuchea when Pol Pot reigned and simply sanctioned South Africa out of the sport arena for its apartied regime. All the while the lines it drew through the sand in the Middle East were neglecful of a history that all the books had in print. So I ask you how could anybody take the UN serious on its issues or demands.
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12-10-2006, 12:43 AM
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So I ask you how could anybody take the UN serious on its issues or demands.
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Absolutely right. They cannot and even if they could, are unwilling to do their job. The good work they do could most likely be better done by charitable organizations.
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12-10-2006, 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by StormanNorman
I don't know. With the US and UK committed in Iraq and some of the bigger NATO countries working in Afghanistan, maybe they don't have the means. I imagine that it would be a fairly large operation.
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If the UN has to rely on the US and the UK then what good are they? Why should the US be responsible for fighting any conflict the UN decides to get involved in? There are other member nations and many of them have much more resources than the Sudan does. Isn't China and Russia in the UN? Isn't France and Germany in the UN?
We already support them with a quarter of their financing, maybe someone else should help out every once in a while.
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12-10-2006, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by StormanNorman
Honestly, Kix, many of the Arab counties don't have the military capabilities necessary. It's not just people, it's lift, it's logistics, etc. I'm not trying to let them off the hook....they could certainly pay for a much larger chunk of any would be operation. But, in the end, it's probably going to have to be the West that takes the lead.
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You’re probably right. After all, the Arab nations that surround Israel only have approximately 50,246,500 available troops. But out of all the predominantly Muslim countries that maintain a sizable military force we find the following.
Indonesia has 60,543,028 available troops
Pakistan has 39,028,014 available troops
Iran has 18,319,545 available troops
Egypt has 18,347,560 available troops
Saudi Arabia has 7,648,999 available troops
Syria has 4,356,413 available troops
Jordan has 1,573,995 available troops
That’s a grand total of 149,817,554 available Muslim troops that would not stir up a hornets nest like we would by going in there. Sudan's total military strength is 8,739,982 available troops so if each of these countries only sent 5% of their troops they could match them 1 to 1. Do we even want to talk about the $$$ some of these countries have behind their troops? Logistically speaking all of these countries are a lot closer to the problem than we are so they should be able to more easily move what they need into the area. So… I see it the real issue is that their view of the problem is totally different from ours. They will never go over there to stop the slaughter, because they are on the side of those doing the slaughtering.
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12-10-2006, 01:01 PM
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its coming sooner then late folks.
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Yeah, I know it is. All the Israelis have to do is threaten to nuke Iran and the US will bomb and invade. And the Israelis (and their neocon humps in DC) know their window of opportunity will be closed by 2008.
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12-10-2006, 01:29 PM
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Yeah, I know it is. All the Israelis have to do is threaten to nuke Iran and the US will bomb and invade. And the Israelis (and their neocon humps in DC) know their window of opportunity will be closed by 2008.
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And the down side is?.....
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