who are you kidding pal.

You just said that you think Failures of our enemy printed in the newspaper is considered propoganda. And when the failures of our American troops are printed in the papers it's people like you who consider these things news worthy.

I was going to call you a name but i held back. I was maybee hoping for a reasoble explanation. But you go and call me a chicken hawk.

well now im going to call you something.

Traitor.

I don’t think our troops have failed with any campaign they have been in.
The administration has failed miserably with their prosecution of the war, through no fault of our troops.

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Whic hever way you spin this you are still a traitor. Maybee the problem isn't bush. Maybee the problem is people like you that have been undermining AMERICA FROM DAY ONE.

traitor

Settle down there, Gix....get back in your box

Lets cast the blame where it really belongs, Gix, squarely on Rumsfeld’s shoulders and his boss. They sacrifice the safety and lives of our troops in the name of politics.

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More spin. Traitor


But lets get back on topic


It seems that our enemy has had some large setbackack in the month of October. Why haven't we heard of any of these setbacks.

Typical Rightwing Chicken Hawk!

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I have....read Fox News and somtimes CNN. But, I'm worried, Gix. I think the biggest problem in Iraq is the horrible ongoing sectarian violence. It will determine whether or not the country holds together. And it's hard to put these guys in the "enemy", "friend", or "neutral" box...don't you think?

As far as your shite and sunni conflict. The big players already have agread on peace. Remember insurgents failed to stop clerics from both sides to meet and agree on stopping the killing. If you dont here remember it is again.

And lets not forget that Sadr mahdi army has been involved in much of the violence but the orders have not been coming from him. He is a vested partner in the succes of iraq. "dont let the media fool you" Allote of wannabee's are going out on there own and his mahdi army is splintering day by day. He himself has called for peace.

So you call it sectarian violence but it is really gang violence. The Religous leaders(that count) have all agreed and called on peace. If this wasn't the case then we would have a sectarian conflict. It's the agitator Iran and Alquida that are stirring the pot and they are playing in the ego's of folks within the sunni community and mahdi army.

this is looking more favorable day by day. The good guys and the bad guys
are becoming clearer and the iraqi government is becoming more effective day by day.

Does this ansewr your question. Oh and i love how the average american thinks they know the inner workings of the Sunni,shia, conflict. Armchair generals i tell ya.


*********** so lets get back on topic. Why haven't we heard about these events in my original post. Dont you think we have a right to know and dont you think that our media has the obligation to fill us in**********

Gix, so if we concede that the enemy has had some setbacks where does that put us? We don't even really know. We've been fighting the insurgency from day one and "winning" in terms of body counts but they just keep coming. Setbacks don't really seem to deter them, when they have plenty of opportunities to ambush US troops attempting to find them.
The instability they create is disastrous also. The Iraqi PM is dependent on the support of insurgent groups like Al Sadr to stay in power. No one can really stop these groups besides us because the police force and army are infilitrated by militias. We may be able to create temporary setbacks but the future looks bleak unless we find a long term political solution.