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U.S. Is Said to Fail in Tracking Arms for Iraqis
The American military has not properly tracked hundreds of thousands of weapons intended for Iraqi security forces and has failed to provide spare parts, maintenance personnel or even repair manuals for most of the weapons given to the Iraqis, a federal report released Sunday has concluded.
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Go to Complete Coverage » The report was undertaken at the request of Senator John W. Warner, the Virginia Republican who is the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee and who recently expressed an assessment far darker than the Bush administration’s on the situation in Iraq.
Mr. Warner sent his request in May to a federal oversight agency, the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction. He also asked the inspector general to examine whether Iraqi security forces were developing a logistics operation capable of sustaining the hundreds of thousands of troops and police officers the American military says it has trained.
The answers came Sunday from the inspector general’s office, which found major discrepancies in American military records on where thousands of 9-millimeter pistols and hundreds of assault rifles and other weapons have ended up. The American military did not even take the elementary step of recording the serial numbers of nearly half a million weapons provided to Iraqis, the inspector general found, making it impossible to track or identify any that might be in the wrong hands.
Exactly where untracked weapons could end up — and whether some have been used against American soldiers — were not examined in the report, although black-market arms dealers thrive on the streets of Baghdad, and official Iraq Army and police uniforms can easily be purchased as well, presumably because government shipments are intercepted or otherwise corrupted.
In a written response to the inspector general’s findings, the American military largely conceded the shortcomings. The military said it would assist the Iraqis in determining the spare parts and maintenance requirements for the weapons. The military also said it has now instituted a “process to accurately issue weapons by quantity and serial number listing.”
Because the inspector general is charged only with looking at weaponry financed directly by the American taxpayer, the total of lost weapons could end up being higher. The Government Accountability Office and the Pentagon inspector general are expected to look at weapons financed by all sources, including the Iraqi government.
The inspector general’s office, led by Stuart W. Bowen Jr., also a Republican, responded to Mr. Warner’s query about the Iraqi Army’s logistical capabilities with another report released at the same time, concluding that Iraqi security forces still depended heavily on the Americans for the operations that sustain a modern army: deliveries of fuel and ammunition, troop transport, health care and maintenance.
Mr. Bowen found that the American military was not able to say how many Iraqi logistics personnel it had trained — in this case because, the military told the inspector general, a computer network crash erased records. Those problems have occurred even though the United States has spent $133 million on the weapons program and $666 million on Iraqi logistics capabilities.
The report said that although the United States planned to scale back its support for logistics and maintenance for Iraqi security forces in 2007, it was unclear whether the Iraqi government had any intention of compensating by allocating sufficient money to the Ministries of Interior and Defense.
Mr. Warner confirmed through his spokesman, John Ullyot, that he was reviewing the reports over the weekend in advance of a scheduled meeting with Mr. Bowen on Tuesday.
Mr. Warner “believes it is essential that Congress and the American people continue to be kept informed by the inspector general on the equipping and logistical capabilities of the Iraqi Army and security forces, since these represent an important component of overall readiness,” Mr. Ullyot said.
Mr. Bowen said in an interview that he was particularly concerned about whether the Iraqi government intended to allocate enough money to support the logistics and maintenance needed for the Iraqi security forces to operate effectively.
“There’s a couple of red flags,” Mr. Bowen said. “Most significantly, is the Iraqi Ministry of Interior properly preparing to take over the mission and sustain it?”
“We don’t know because we don’t have adequate visibility into their budgeting,” he said, “and to a lesser extent the same red flag is up for the Department of Defense.”
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10-30-2006, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right
The American military has not properly tracked hundreds of thousands of weapons intended for Iraqi security forces and has failed to provide spare parts, maintenance personnel or even repair manuals for most of the weapons given to the Iraqis, a federal report released Sunday has concluded.
Reach of War
Go to Complete Coverage » The report was undertaken at the request of Senator John W. Warner, the Virginia Republican who is the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee and who recently expressed an assessment far darker than the Bush administration’s on the situation in Iraq.
Mr. Warner sent his request in May to a federal oversight agency, the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction. He also asked the inspector general to examine whether Iraqi security forces were developing a logistics operation capable of sustaining the hundreds of thousands of troops and police officers the American military says it has trained.
The answers came Sunday from the inspector general’s office, which found major discrepancies in American military records on where thousands of 9-millimeter pistols and hundreds of assault rifles and other weapons have ended up. The American military did not even take the elementary step of recording the serial numbers of nearly half a million weapons provided to Iraqis, the inspector general found, making it impossible to track or identify any that might be in the wrong hands.
Exactly where untracked weapons could end up — and whether some have been used against American soldiers — were not examined in the report, although black-market arms dealers thrive on the streets of Baghdad, and official Iraq Army and police uniforms can easily be purchased as well, presumably because government shipments are intercepted or otherwise corrupted.
In a written response to the inspector general’s findings, the American military largely conceded the shortcomings. The military said it would assist the Iraqis in determining the spare parts and maintenance requirements for the weapons. The military also said it has now instituted a “process to accurately issue weapons by quantity and serial number listing.”
Because the inspector general is charged only with looking at weaponry financed directly by the American taxpayer, the total of lost weapons could end up being higher. The Government Accountability Office and the Pentagon inspector general are expected to look at weapons financed by all sources, including the Iraqi government.
The inspector general’s office, led by Stuart W. Bowen Jr., also a Republican, responded to Mr. Warner’s query about the Iraqi Army’s logistical capabilities with another report released at the same time, concluding that Iraqi security forces still depended heavily on the Americans for the operations that sustain a modern army: deliveries of fuel and ammunition, troop transport, health care and maintenance.
Mr. Bowen found that the American military was not able to say how many Iraqi logistics personnel it had trained — in this case because, the military told the inspector general, a computer network crash erased records. Those problems have occurred even though the United States has spent $133 million on the weapons program and $666 million on Iraqi logistics capabilities.
The report said that although the United States planned to scale back its support for logistics and maintenance for Iraqi security forces in 2007, it was unclear whether the Iraqi government had any intention of compensating by allocating sufficient money to the Ministries of Interior and Defense.
Mr. Warner confirmed through his spokesman, John Ullyot, that he was reviewing the reports over the weekend in advance of a scheduled meeting with Mr. Bowen on Tuesday.
Mr. Warner “believes it is essential that Congress and the American people continue to be kept informed by the inspector general on the equipping and logistical capabilities of the Iraqi Army and security forces, since these represent an important component of overall readiness,” Mr. Ullyot said.
Mr. Bowen said in an interview that he was particularly concerned about whether the Iraqi government intended to allocate enough money to support the logistics and maintenance needed for the Iraqi security forces to operate effectively.
“There’s a couple of red flags,” Mr. Bowen said. “Most significantly, is the Iraqi Ministry of Interior properly preparing to take over the mission and sustain it?”
“We don’t know because we don’t have adequate visibility into their budgeting,” he said, “and to a lesser extent the same red flag is up for the Department of Defense.”
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nice article. Where did you get if from. Whats your source. This is plagerism. Why dont you give credit where credit is due.
Typica liberals. Trying to get crdit for something they didn't do
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10-30-2006, 03:25 PM
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nice article. Where did you get if from. Whats your source. This is plagerism. Why dont you give credit where credit is due.
Typica liberals. Trying to get crdit for something they didn't do
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Gix, this story was on CNN at lunch today. 
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10-30-2006, 03:30 PM
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Gix, this story was on CNN at lunch today. 
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that explains everything. The Alqueda News Agency.
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10-30-2006, 03:31 PM
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Once again Nazi is full of shit. THERE IS NOT hundreds of thousands of weapons missing. There are 14,000, of which 13,180 are handguns. Hell there are that many in the average NBA parking lot.
I know Nazi NEVER provides a source but here is mine: http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/....ap/index.html
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10-30-2006, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by gixaholic
nice article. Where did you get if from. Whats your source. This is plagerism. Why dont you give credit where credit is due.
Typica liberals. Trying to get crdit for something they didn't do
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No... It's from the NEW YORK TIMES. I didn't post the source because then it's automatically discreeded. But most of the fact are from republican oversight (contradiction in terms) so you can't call it liberal media bias. You dipshits can't manage a 7/11 let along a war.
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10-30-2006, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right
No... It's from the NEW YORK TIMES. I didn't post the source because then it's automatically discreeded. But most of the fact are from republican oversight (contradiction in terms) so you can't call it liberal media bias. You dipshits can't manage a 7/11 let along a war.
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please post links so we can decide for ourselves. Thank you.
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10-30-2006, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Still Dizzy
Once again Nazi is full of shit. THERE IS NOT hundreds of thousands of weapons missing. There are 14,000, of which 13,180 are handguns. Hell there are that many in the average NBA parking lot.
I know Nazi NEVER provides a source but here is mine: http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/....ap/index.html
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Yeah... and in the hands of Jihadists. I LOVE AMERICAN GUNS YEEE ha...
and there is rumor going around that Cheney had a big yellow paper shredder service outside his office. OVERSIGHT HERE WE COME!!!!!
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10-30-2006, 04:04 PM
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Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
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10-30-2006, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right
Yeah... and in the hands of Jihadists. I LOVE AMERICAN GUNS YEEE ha...
and there is rumor going around that Cheney had a big yellow paper shredder service outside his office. OVERSIGHT HERE WE COME!!!!!
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You are avoiding the question son. I PROVIDED my sourse, now provide yours. Either back it up or shut up.
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