Originally Posted by Areyouforreal

Why is it Liberals can not ever be optimistic and have hope. Not everything is hopeless. It is attitudes like yours that will keep Iraq from becoming a Democratic government. I am sure glad that your type of attitude was not around during the American Revolution, WWI and WWII.

Originally Posted by Chateauroux

Hope, Real?

Monday:" 160 Iraqis Killed, 14 GI's In Three Days"

Tuesday: "10 GI's Killed In One Day"

Wednesday: "42 Iraqis Killed, 46 Injured"

Take off them rose-tinted glasses and face facts.

Originally Posted by gixaholic

So you are saying we should quit or are you in favor of redeployment

Originally Posted by RASTAMAN

That's fine with me NEO NAZI KIX, b/c I've also shown it too active duty military members who loath the Bush Admin. Just b/c you and your son feel the way you do, does not mean every military member follows suit in a robotic fashion.

That video holds no bearing on the outcome of the Iraqi occupation--so make sure you tell your SON that OKIE DOKIE.

So, STAY THE COURSE NIMROD.

Originally Posted by Chateauroux

Hope, Real?

Monday:" 160 Iraqis Killed, 14 GI's In Three Days"

Tuesday: "10 GI's Killed In One Day"

Wednesday: "42 Iraqis Killed, 46 Injured"

Take off them rose-tinted glasses and face facts.

Originally Posted by Spitty

Immediate pull out

Originally Posted by Areyouforreal

According to yours and Spitty's thinking we should never have attacked Germany in WWII and as soon as our military started to die in any other war we should have just stopped fighting. I bet the bullies loved you guy's in school.

Originally Posted by Kix

Otherwise known as "CUT AND RUN"


Apparently Congress doesn't think so or some liberal there would have already tried it.

Wanna bet?
Photo 1: Kuwait authorities recently seized a shipment coming out of Iraq carrying, among other items, baby bottles, and other nursing materials for resale overseas. Saddam starved thousands of infants to death by selling their food on the black market.

Photo 5&6: In the southern marshes, government forces have burned houses and fields, demolished houses with bulldozers, and undertaken a deliberate campaign to drain and poison the marshes. Villages belonging to the al Juwaibiri, al Shumaish, al Musa and al Rahma tribes were entirely destroyed and the inhabitants forcibly expelled. Government troops expelled the population of other areas at gunpoint and also forced them to relocate by cutting off their water supply.

Not according to the court in Iraq.
What Disarmament Should Have Meant

UNSCR 687 and related resolutions 707, 715, and 1051 stipulated that Iraq must provide full, final and complete disclosure of all aspects of its nuclear, chemical, biological, and long-range missile weapons programs; allow unconditional inspection access by international monitors; cease any attempt to conceal, move, or destroy any material or equipment related to these programs; and cooperate with UN monitoring of relevant Iraqi facilities and trade activities.

What Iraq under Saddam Hussein Did

When these resolutions were passed, it was expected that compliance would require no more than 90 days. Instead, ten years later, sanctions remained in place because Saddam Hussein decided to (1) hide weapons and major components of these programs, (2) secretly destroy older, less-capable weapons and equipment, and (3) give UN inspectors fraudulent declarations to mask weapons and equipment that were still hidden. Most of this has never been accounted for and may well have been transferred to Syria in the weeks prior to the U.S. invasion.

• Saddam Hussein began playing hide-and-seek with UN inspectors in 1991. In December 1998, Saddam stopped all cooperation with the UN, refusing to let any weapons inspectors into the country until it became apparent the U.S. was planning to invade.

• In July 1998, Saddam Hussein seized from the hands of UNSCOM inspectors an Iraqi Air Force document indicating that Iraq had misrepresented the expenditure of over 6,000 bombs which may have contained over 700 tons of chemical agent. These documents were never made available to the UN.

• Saddam Hussein continued to deny weaponizing VX nerve agent, despite the fact that UNSCOM found VX nerve agent residues on Iraqi SCUD missile warhead fragments. Based on its investigations, international experts concluded that "Iraq had the know-how and process equipment, and may possess precursors to manufacture as much as 200 tons of VX ... The retention of a VX capability by Iraq should not have been excluded by the UNSCOM international expert team." (After the U.S. invasion an additional 1.7 metric tons of nerve agent was found. It had been hidden from the team who failed to include the loss on its report)

• Saddam Hussein refused to credibly account for 500 tons of SCUD propellant, over 40 SCUD biological and conventional warheads, 7 Iraqi-produced SCUDs, and truckloads of SCUD components. Most of this has never been accounted for and may well have been transferred to Syria in the weeks prior to the U.S. invasion.

• Saddam Hussein refused to allow inspection of thousands of Ministry of Defense and Military Industries Commission documents relating to biological and chemical weapons and long-range missiles.

• In 1995, Iraqis who conducted field trials of R-400 bombs filled with biological agents described the tests to UNSCOM experts in considerable detail, including the use of many animals. These field trials were reflected in Iraq's June 1996 biological weapons declaration. Yet, amazingly, in 1998 and again in 1999 Saddam Hussein denied that any such trials were conducted at all.

• In September 1995, Saddam Hussein finally declared the existence of two projects to disseminate biological agents from Mirage F-1 and MiG-21 aircraft, yet there is no evidence that the prototype weapons and aircraft were ever destroyed. To date, there is still no evidence that the 12 Iraqi helicopter-borne aerosol generators for biological weapon delivery were ever destroyed and may well have been transferred to Syria prior to the U.S. invasion.

• Apart from one document referring to a single year, no Iraqi biological weapon production records have been given to the UN -- no records of storage, of filling into munitions, or of destruction. This is why UNSCOM referred to Iraq's biological weapons program -- which deployed SCUD missile warheads filled with anthrax and botulinum toxin to be ready for use against Coalition forces -- as a "black hole." Most of this has never been accounted for and may well have been transferred to Syria in the weeks prior to the U.S. invasion.

• Saddam Hussein's regime repeatedly changed their story about their biological weapons warheads. Saddam Hussein revised its declarations regarding the precise locations of warhead destruction and the fill of warheads several times, an act that repeatedly frustrated the inspectors. The movements of concealed warheads prior to unilateral destruction, claimed by Saddam Hussein, have been proven to be false.

• At the request of the UNSC, Brazilian Ambassador Amorim led a review of the mechanisms designed to ensure Iraqi disarmament. His 7 April 1999 report affirmed that future work "should be based on the full implementation of the plans for ongoing monitoring and verification approved by Security Council Resolution 715 (1991)" and called for Iraq to provide UNSCOM and IAEA inspectors with all the rights called for by UNSC resolutions 687, 707, and 1051." Rather than do so, Saddam refused to allow weapons inspectors into Iraq until it became apparent that the U.S. was planning to invade.

The burden of proof was on Saddam Hussein, NOT on the United Nations or the United States and until the U.S. invaded, he was never held accountable by the UN, which failed miserably in its intended function. All we hear about from liberals in the U.S. today is why is there no confirmed "exit stragety"? And "We need a date". So, why was NO DATE ever required prior to this administration for Saddam Hussein to COMPLY?


The UN is who let the Iraqi people down when they refused to hold Saddam Hussein accountable for ELEVEN YEARS of defiance! Our previous administration let the Iraqi people down when it was so weak on holding Saddam accountable.

He was OUR ally? Excuse me, but what history book did you get this out of? We helped Saddam fend off Iran when Iran looked to try to take over the entire Middle East. His way of saying thanks was to turn around and try to take over the Middle East himself at which point he LOST any support he'd ever gotten from us.

But they do have oil in Sudan and if we went there to save those people, you'd just bitch about that too.

Originally Posted by Spitty

Your citations are few and much of what you ripped of the internet does not address my post.