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Where exactly did you acquire this analysis of 20th cty history?
It seems as if you are a proud alumni of American higher education.
Yale, or is it Harvard?
Who are your personal fonts of wisdom?
..
I can't resist in questioning the manifest errors in the above opinion, as well as attempting to actually answer the rhetorical questions posed..

1. " Hitler was wicked and did sooo many horrible things but i respect the man. ".. Hitler was wicked in what ethical/value system are you referring?
Respecting a political gangster and a monumentally efficient socialist
is an example of WHAT ethical/value system?

2. " He did what he did in a good intention.How do you kill millions of people in a good intention??? "..
What of Hitlers actions or policies are you referring? If Hitler was merely
a very accomplished "Leader" of his
Workers Nationalist Democratic Socialist Party ( NASDP)
is it the political philosophy that had a "good intention"?
Who articulated the nationalistic democratic socialistic philosophy?
Who taught Hitler, and Mussolini, and Stalin, and Franco and a dozen other petit dictators ?
Who taught the philosophy to the Weimar Republic leaders that fractured Germany BEFORE Hitler?
What political/cultural value/ethic system requires genocide and repression and internal terrorism AS a "good intention"?

3. " Bush is creating a genocide but In his mind he is doing it to "protect his people". "...
Have you read ANY of the public policy speeches that have stipulated
US actions and interests concerning Iraq, Saaddam Hussein, or the Baathist party?
Not just by the Leaders of your country.. at this time.. but what the policies have been
FOR THIRTY YEARS.
Since the absolute bald declaration of war that the Militant and aggressive
Socialistic Arab States enacted in 1973
In the FIRST oil embargoes conducted by the anti-jewish tribes, I mean "States"..
By the Baathists.
By any chance do you know anything about the political vaue/ethic system envisioned and constructed by the Baathist National Democratic Socialist Party?
Who funded them?
Who trained and equipped the millions of Arab ( muslim) anti-Israelis
who yearned to cleanse the Holy Land and also cripple the West
( i.e. The USA )?
Oh and by accusing President ( twice elected) GWBush of genocide, are you aware of historical examples of REAL genocide?
And who committed them?
ANd what ethic/value system that recquired that universal intolerance?
( Here's a few to consider:
- The Spanish ( RC) Empire explicitly wiped out as many native south and central americans ( and AFRICANS by the way) they could in the EXPLICIT and ENCOURAGED public and cultural policies. Estimates measure in the tens of millions from Peru to Mexico, to Brazil-
- The EXPLICIT Royal/Religious policy to exterminate every society there and replace it with "Estancias" the slave/plantation mentality we see even today
( Why is spanish considered a native SAmerican language? Isn't Spain in Europe? )
- How about the Turkish ( muslim) LEGAL discrimination and systemic destruction of the Armenian border people? ( Armenia, a proud Caucasus Mountain people, their history resisting Islam as well as invaders goes back
as far back as Byzantium times)?Starting in 1895 and ending in the highly regulated and efficient bloodbath performed in 1915-16 by the "Young Turks".
- How about the Italianb occupation of Abbysinia?
- Perhaps Stalin's "good intentions" starving and brutalizing tens of millions of Russian, Slavic, and Polish citizens aren't considered a genocide by NYU types, but the family histories don't lie.
- The japanese brutalized China and its other occupation zones for "good intentions"
EXPLICITLY an Imperial one of racist and territorial conquest against white men AND asians.
- Cambodia and Vietnam and Communist China have liquidated an estimated
40-70 millions of citizens , all for "good intentions".
Do you know what the political/cultural/ethic/value system ( i.e. philosophy)
of THOSE NationStates?
Notice the similarity of socialism-collectivism-social equality-
and hysterically intolerant of individual freedoms ( like HAVING an opinion )?

4 " But in the holocaust somepeople found themselves and realized the truth... fortunatly he was stopped...History repeats itself "
I didn't notice anything but the anecdotal truths of events during a time and place where war rules. By any chance have you done any research on the conduct of historical conflicts?
Are you aware of how militaries are actually constructed?
DO you know what are the normal operationg procedures of MOST of Humanity and civilization and NationStates even in recent history?
How many US soldiers died in WW1? In how long a period of time?
How many debilitated victims of gassing?
What were the promises,policies and actions of Woodrow Wilson.?.
What were the circumstances surrounding the Lusitania?
During that time when Germany was in ruins..
Were you aware that ALL of Europe from Paris to Moscow was in ruins?
Were you aware that during the 20's the ComIntern began to destabilize many other reivals?
Including Germany? And the United States?

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You know, All of that is acquired from reading and observing.. and by living in these United States for 46 years. ( I have traveled some )..
I am not an Ivy-Leaguer.
I would suggest any number of Authors and books.
These days it is a hard sell to get someone to read Shirer's " Rise and Fall of the Third Reich".. Much less Mortimer Adler, or Ayn Rand or F Von Hayek.
"Road to Serfdom".
These are somewhat advanced.
Try wikipedia and look up these terms:
Baathists..National Socialism.. Collectivism.. History of Arab-Israeli wars ( 1948, 1956, 1967,1973 and ever since )..( everyone of them where one side was fanatically determined to commit GENOCIDE against a smaller but successful socialist democratic state that HAPPENED to be a hated and reviled religion)..
You might want to look up the Wahabi sect, too. Look up Bin Ladens speech in the London Times.. and look up Ted Kazinsky's manifesto published by the NYTimes..
What is the similar premises necessary to come to such efficient ethic/value
systems?
What is the enemy of those systems?
Look up "regime change" and US policy in 1996-98 concerning Iraq.
( hint.. it wasn't President Bush who declared the end for Hussein )
Look up accepting campaign dollars from foreign governments for favorable resource and technology legislation..
( hint..( both pres ( twice elected ) Clinton and VP Gore said there was no higher and binding authority.)
( Similar to how they defined mild or non-existent responses to TERROR BOMBINGS and DEATHS in 1993, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998 1999, and 2000!!)
( to wit: the first WTC bombing;Diplomatic assasinations and attrit war against Israel; Embassy bombings in Africa; Oklahoma City;Flight 800 ;The CenterReach Flight;The USS Cole[ an act that is enough to REQUIRE serious military response alone ]...
And just what was the US response during these crises? And just what was the deaths and destruction of the Bosnian war's "good intentions"?
How many riots by the Islamic people's inspired by militant clerics occurred during the nineties?
Look them up.
And oh yeah.. Here is an example of OVERT official US policy against
the Branch Davidian at Waco:
GENOCIDE..by fire.

Oh Yeah, that's right.. Saddam Hussein was the Supreme Leader of the Baathist Party that had a Racist and superior social collectivist ideology..
Trained by and modeled literally after Stalinist style dictatorism, the cult of personality; the domestic terrorism and repression was both designed to mold Iraq to a Nation-Sate at the whim of a Fuhrer type AND make a mindset obedient and dependent on the State ( Uncle Saddam in this case)in every youngster he could propagandize..
He has used money and lies to play all ends against the middle for a decade, while shattering the Iraqi people under his gangs whims.
There are no similarities to Hitlers National Socialistic Democratic ideology
and the Soviet-inspired Baath party.
It's a coincidence that the Nazis were very admired by these same factions of the middle East. That Hitler is personally admired throughout the Arabic world, not simply because of his virulent hatred but because of his strong stand against Capitalism and England/America is also a mere happenstance.
Oh definitely.. the philosophers that inspired Stalin AND Hitler have absolutely NO bearing on the Pan-Arabic Baath Party.

"Oh Yeah, that's right.. Saddam Hussein was the Supreme Leader of the Baathist Party that had a Racist and superior social collectivist ideology..
Trained by and modeled literally after Stalinist style dictatorism, the cult of personality..."

>>>Who cares who he modeled himself after? FOTM is, if he didn't kill Shias, the Shias would kill him. But I suppose letting murderous ayatollahs run Iraq is somehow preferable to murderous Stalinists, eh?

ummm. i do agree that this war is pointless and that we do not need to be there. i think that we went into the war becuase bush just wanted more. he is a very egocentric pres. and now he has spent more than 271 billion $$$ on the war. i think that many people didn't want to go to war though.

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"They wanted to blow us up well before we invaded Iraq. And if we hadn't invaded, eventually we would have had to deal with Saddam anyway..."

>>>Foreign policy based on the alignment of Mars and Uranus, or what? Actually, my bird entrails tell me Saddam wanted improved relations with the US.

Good point... Saddam was an evil dictator but did not even make the governments list of top ten the year before the invasion. (saudia arabias dictator did ut he is bush's close financial buddy, Burma did , various african dictators, Castro. So for Bush to put us over a trillion in debt and create even more of these jihadist was such a tragedy for this country(i know 30% still think Iraq was responsibe for 9/11) but anyone with a 8th grade education or beyond knows this is a myth and for the first time even Bush admited there was no connection. Bush has increased terroism, put us in debt that will take 50 years and all of our kids resourses to pay off and probably create even more terrorist attacks. So if you voted for Bush I think those who helped create this mess should send an additional 20% of thier income and any children or grandchildren they have between the ages of 18-30 to compensate and repay the nation for electing the biggest threat to america ever seen.

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BLIND FAITH IN BAD LEADERSHIP IS NOT PATRIOTISM

Perhaps you felt by repeating shallow blather you could
ignore answers provided.
It's true that military force is not a peaceful solution to any problem ...
By it's nature it solves conflicts that are NO LONGER CIVILIZED.
When Coercion ( and make no mistake, collectivism is not merely a government policy ) IS the normal govt procedure, there is no Law for the individual.
It's complicated to explain to people who are personally offended because their nation isn't as pacifist ( i.e. cowardly) as they themselves are.
A nation is made of it's citizens. You men and women here on this forum
ARE America... To ignore the fact that The Soviet Union was the most
overt destabilizing force in the twentieth century. The Philosophers and demagogues who inspired Stalin ( etc ) and his political mentor, Marx/Lenin, were preceded by legitimate academics. These propagandizing( or merely anarcho-skeptics of a hyper extreme nature[ D Hume for one] professors poisoned the minds of European college students. These "great minds" of Academia insinuated a number of corrosive social values. They did this by aiming at a persons subjective response. They used class envy and resentment to build up a hatred towards "the ruling class".
You should care who armed, trained, and molded the Arabic Nazis called Baathism.. It is a cancerous and destructive idealism that destroys the very
elements of civilization that make progress and peace possible.
It is a mistaken and resentfullly destructive european implant on a civilization that hasn't solved it's own religious militancy. ( obviously)
It was also forseen as far back as the early eighties. If the policies were successful against the USSR, it just might have to disgorge some of its puppets . It might even lose control of critical territories thought safe for communism. Like Poland.
Did everything go perfect and as planned.?
Duh.. no. And only people who are immature, adolescently subjective, OR never advanced in maturity, expect reality to be as simple as a child's demands.
But back to this alien pacifism the "liberal" academia have been spoon feeding us for over eighty years.. ( see John Dewey and his theories of education and social manipulation )..
What kind of citizen, ..Man.. would be so supine and appeasing in the face of threats.? What kind of American has so little appreciation for this incredible nation and civilization to not bother being rational and reasonably
knowledgeable?
I'm not talking college education... I'm talking about the ethical values that OUR providers gave us.. The men and women who came before us.. who didn't agree with every decision by every administration.. And certainly didn't WANT to die on unknown battlefields and streets..
THEY worked and were Americans and made the sacrifices that made THIS the greatest and most envied engines of progress humanity has ever known.
Consider the appearance of teachers squabbling in front of a crowd of truculent and jealous juvenile delinquents?
Maybe the staff ( or authorities ) should act less like children, and put up a united front against what could be a real criminal problem.
Does that explain ANYTHING to you?
I tried a lot of ways and maybe I speak clearer with feedback..
Bottom line is this:
You echo the words, and propaganda of people wha declare themselves as enemies of America, and our etic/value system.
( including judeo-christian tenets.).
Pick a side, ingrates.

the fact that people think iraq would attack us is just laughable. they had nothing that would reach us and if it did we are covered by a blanket of radar and all sorts of defensive weapons. we have no threat of military strike against us. now sure they can do another 9/11 but that is not led by a country just indivigual organizations. iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 yet people still think it cause they buy into the media and our so called govt telling us so. as we have learned our govt blaintantly lies to us to get their way. this will happen with iran as well. they will tell us we are in immediate danger and the people will buy it. in truth isreal is in danger and for whatever reason the u.s. protects them. i feel let them get rid of isreal, you would all be suprised how quickly our enemies would disapear. they hate us for backing them plain and simple. anyways we are no longer at war with iraq, iraq is at war with itself, we are fighting cell groups, and no one remembers afganistan anymore. bin laden who, hey we got saddam right. this war is going no where and bush confirmed he has no exit plan and will leave it up to a smarter democratic president to fix it, like clinton fixed all of georges daddys problems. you will see the trend of bailing out the bush family for their incompitance. all this so called progress do not exist. my cousin just got back from baghdad. he was part of an engineering group that was supposed to be building all sorts of things. you know what he did? he ran around behind a .50 cal on a humvee doing patrol. never built a thing. that went for his whole unit. believe what comes from the horses mouth not your lying, worthless excuse for a president.

"have'nt seen bush that bad since the 70's"

THEY worked and were Americans and made the sacrifices that made THIS the greatest and most envied engines of progress humanity has ever known

philosopher this sounds exactly like hitler propaganda. how do you know we are the most envied. other countries are sure doing alot more and importing a hell of a lot more than we export. if everything we did we so wonderful how come we need everyone else to do it for us. so go ahead and tell yourself we are the great race of this world. maybe when you start throwing your right arm out hitler style you will realize who you sound like.

Good Afternoon,Thanks for the response.
.. I hoped for a better remark than some nazi smear, but I will take
the subjects as broached..

..... It isn't a fact, nor is it even a decent slogan, and the idea that
there are any nations capable of undetected military operations
is true, but covert espionage is a different thing.
.. Obviously there IS a "secret agent" war, right?
..And those "individual organizations"(?) have specific ideologies, agendas, and acts, right? Do the details of THOSE organizations and their aims
ever coincide with NATIONS that declare themselves enemies of OUR Nation?..
But never mind 'fellow traveller' theories; There are not unresolved connections with Terry Nichols ( today IS his gift to America)
( and that was a domestic individual organization, right?); there was definitely an ongoing aiding and abetting of "terrorists" ( members of "individual organizations"), from sanctuary for Idi amin,
the Achille Lauro survivors,
and suicide bombers families "paradise policy"; to training camps and
"working policies" by Hussein Intel Agency for a few.
.. Now THOSE are facts..
and the media neglects to remind you
that the list of terror-related bombings are committed by
"individual organizations" that CANNOT survive without a
support from so-called Nation-States ( for funding and legal protections,
as in wahabist madrases in every muslim country.)
OR the theocratic empire of their clerics..
Iraq , historically is just ONE of a lot of desperate cultures.
Now your media ( and teachers) may not remind YOU that Iran
has been our Nation's enemy ( as well as Iraq for longer )
( declared , legally )since 1978
and your media may not remind you of other obligations
a big powerful economic powerhouse like the United States has,
but as Jefferson said
" Millions for defense, not a penny for tribute."
As in appeasement.

... Hmm, we have blatant lies, but no, the Official Statements have shown a thoughtful recognition of dangers from MANY sources in the region.
Iraq has been a national problem since Pres Clinton declared them an
enemy in 1998( remember Desert Fox?..
A lot of pointless deaths there, and NO regime-change.)
.. And certainly no extremist act was committed
( pre-emptive?, come on, how many months of build-up?
read "An American Soldier" by Gen'l Tommy Franks, kid.
Hussein could have left at anytime..)..

War has been committed for far less injustices than
the legal excuse of UN percieved NBC threats
( the USE of WMD, right?)
( The WMD [read NBC munitions]that EVERYONE said he had
from 1991 to 2003, right?)
Hey, remember Bosnia?
The UN AND NATO AND the US are STILL cleaning up
that PC /consensus euro-success story, right?
But let's examine your analyses of International diplomacy viz Israel..

.. You can't seem to recognize any connection with Israel..
and yet, you fling nazi smears?
For shame,
your true feelings are revealed.

Suffice to say,
since you have identical feelings for America and
it's purposes in the Middle East as our enemies do,
and it is clearly not very rational or intelligent..

None of any of this will have any effect on
your closed and dim-witted mind..

Pres Bush is not the first president to experience the quandary of dealing with a repressive and militantly zealous muslim culture.
In his declaration of War against zealot revolutionaries ( 'terrorists)
He made it clear that this was a struggle for our Nations civilization,
and would be fought on many fronts for many years.
( read your official records)
Nor is this new "nazi/socialist" revolutionary conflict our first brush with
an ideological enemy.
It has been The West's struggle with collectivism and Islam for centuries
That have made so many fanatics..

Notice which side ALWAYS exhorts violence..
committed by "individual organizations"..
Who curiously all sound the same,
hate the same and
boil in their own venom the same.
..
And just what were Pres Clinton's great contributions to American security?
Umm..
1993- He inherited a UN-backed Somali aid mission.. He undersupported a covert "legal" kidnapping, and "Black Hawk Down" happened..
A VERY serious military failure that our enemy ( documented)
took careful notice of.
..He fumbled and patronized every Foreign leader, while attacking domestic religious isolationists ( Waco, remember?), and christians..
He raised taxes, and whined he couldn't do anything about the budget..
EXCEPT cut active military forces..
( from 14 to less than eleven divisions.. never mind our Navy's desserts. )
And when it comes to blatant lies and standing up for his Nation..
What were his responses to the FIRST WTC bombing?
And Lockerbee?
And Flight 800..( Off LI it has had curious details 'hushed up' )
And the highly effective response to EMBASSY bombings?

and speaking of allies, and sending mixed messages,
just how friendly WAS the Clinton administration to Israel?
Was it closer than with the Crips and the Bloods?
Or was it the Chinese and "Indonesian" businessmen who had
Bill Clinton's ultimate affections?
.. Speaking of egregious motives and blatant lies..
Foreign campaign contributions from China..
IS a crime..
and Gore's "No higher legal authority" makes
their administration filthy.
{{ oh, by the way,
did you know that
Ted Kazinski and Bin Laden
hate America for the same things?..
and want the same things too!!}}
..
Why did Clinton make his campaign fundraiser head of Commerce,
then turn China over to HIS department?
Aren't there ANY questions about missile telemetry
that China acquired from approved US companies ( from a guy who PERSONALLY gave a million dollars to Bill.. Bernie Schwartz of Fairchild..)
and upgraded their AND N Koreas weapon systems?

How come the Justice Department was more concerned about Microsoft
than how to get declared enemies?

And while you may sneer at Pres Bush not being able to close on medicare reform, or an energy stimulus..
At least he has an agenda that HELPS our economy..
( please recall wetland activism, gasoline additives and taxes during
the mid-nineties.)

.. Not to mention the freeze on CEO salaries BUT allowing stock deals..
and what about that dotcom BUBBLE?
And when did Enron and WorldCom START their shenanigans?
Where WAS that ethically pure Attorney General Janet Reno?
..Maybe you should dust off and try again.
MTC