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Old 06-16-2008, 06:46 AM
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In January 2005, with the Iraq insurgency in violent bloom, the dutiful company commander and the struggling sergeant deployed with the 42nd Infantry Division to Kuwait and then to northern Iraq. At a forward operating base in Tikrit, under battlefield conditions in a hostile Sunni Arab region, a mutual distrust between Sergeant Martinez and Captain Esposito devolved into acrimony and, according to Army prosecutors, premeditated murder.

“I want him to die,” one soldier later testified he heard Sergeant Martinez say soon after their arrival in Iraq.

On June 7 of that year, Sergeant Martinez detonated a Claymore mine he had placed in the window of Captain Esposito’s quarters, Army prosecutors said, killing him and severely wounding a first lieutenant, Lou Allen, who died later in surgery. They said three hand grenades were also used in the attack.

In the coming months, Sergeant Martinez is expected to face court-martial in the deaths. He has consistently maintained his innocence. If convicted, he would be eligible for the death penalty.

Attacks on soldiers by another soldier usually of a lower rank, known in military slang as “fragging” because a fragmentation grenade was often the weapon of choice, were an alarming problem during the Vietnam War but have been extremely rare in Iraq. The 2005 attack is only the second such case the Army has prosecuted since the beginning of the Iraq war. By comparison, in Vietnam in 1969 and 1970, the Army logged more than 300 attacks that killed 75 commissioned and noncommissioned officers, said Paul J. Springer, a history professor at West Point.

Experts attributed the dropoff to the professionalism and higher morale that came with the all-volunteer military instituted in 1973. “With fragging, you’re likely to find someone who never really fit into the military system, who probably felt like an outsider,” said Dr. David Walker, a psychiatrist who served in the Air Force.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/16/ny...th&oref=slogin
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Old 06-16-2008, 12:28 PM
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What's the point? File this under "Sh*t happens." Murder is murder...

But I'd like to know what you feel this case represents and why you felt it worthy as a topic for discussion.
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Old 06-16-2008, 12:36 PM
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im sure the good sargent had his reasons. like, when a roadside mine is exploded, take out the ones who burried it, or, at least the ones who are watching and detonating it. i can say i dont blame the good sargent one bit. im in the military, i see the enemy, he blows up a mine at my convoy, and im not allowed to kill him? well screw this. if the lousy officer in charge wont let me do my job, then im going to ice him as soon as i can.
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Old 06-27-2008, 01:58 AM
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What's the point? File this under "Sh*t happens." Murder is murder...

But I'd like to know what you feel this case represents and why you felt it worthy as a topic for discussion.


Actually, it's just another painfully transparent attempt to throw some crap at Bush. And in doing so this jackass could care less what splatters on the kids serving over in Iraq.

Patriot is another one who'll probably tell you 'he's against the war, but supports the troops'. But then he never seems to miss an opportunity to bring up anything that puts these kids in a bad light, does he? By the same token, check and see if you can find anything he's ever posted that reflects positively on the troops..or a single instance when he's expressed a shred of sympathy for what it must be like to be a 20-year old kid in combat fighting the most cowardly enemy imaginable.

In the end it's all politics, and this jag off isn't worth the effort to pull your dick out of your pants just to piss on him.
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Old 06-27-2008, 02:08 AM
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There is no excuse. ITs murder..Hang the mother fucker.
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Old 06-27-2008, 07:58 PM
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Actually, it's just another painfully transparent attempt to throw some crap at Bush. And in doing so this jackass could care less what splatters on the kids serving over in Iraq.

Patriot is another one who'll probably tell you 'he's against the war, but supports the troops'. But then he never seems to miss an opportunity to bring up anything that puts these kids in a bad light, does he? By the same token, check and see if you can find anything he's ever posted that reflects positively on the troops..or a single instance when he's expressed a shred of sympathy for what it must be like to be a 20-year old kid in combat fighting the most cowardly enemy imaginable.

In the end it's all politics, and this jag off isn't worth the effort to pull your dick out of your pants just to piss on him.

I gotta ask, really I do. How does this article paint our military in a bad light. When compared to Vietnam, it paints a pretty great picture, IMO.
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im sure the good sargent had his reasons. like, when a roadside mine is exploded, take out the ones who burried it, or, at least the ones who are watching and detonating it. i can say i dont blame the good sargent one bit. im in the military, i see the enemy, he blows up a mine at my convoy, and im not allowed to kill him? well screw this. if the lousy officer in charge wont let me do my job, then im going to ice him as soon as i can.
If you are really in the military, you need to get out FAST!!!!!!!!
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