Iraq by the Numbers

Publius Infinitum · #61 (**permalink**) 06-16-2008, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Back Atcha

Holy shit your retarded. I've already supplied it. Anyone who's interested can click the links and verify it for themselves, instead of taking some fucktards word for it. ...

This member is simply a desperate liar.

There is no credible source on earth which would declare CBW munitions as inert, in the context of 'harmless' which this member used it; repeatedly delcaring that the material was 'inert' because of the poor processing of the idiot Iraqis and the improper storage through 'burying it in the desert.'

The BEST she could hope for is some deluded argument wherein the author claimed that the munitions were 'inert' due to their condition where the agent had not been activated through the process anticipated at the time of discharge; where firing of the munitions is required to mix the separate, otherwise 'inert' active ingredients... which is of course be the case with nearly all CBW, as to design them any other way would kill those trained in their deployment as they went about the business of deploying them, considering the incomperhensible lethality of a single drop of nerve agent.

This would be typical of the leftist ideology; raw deceit and which serves only the function of pro-terrorist, anti-war propaganda.

As previously noted, this member chose to post vague URLs, which she implied concluded CBW found in Iraq, was 'inert.' The member was directly challenged on numerous occasions to site the specific segments of the sourced URLs which advanced such a conclusion and each time she has responded with impotent denials and goes about re-inventing the "Sourced URL says so" myth. The sourced URLs do not say so and what’s more this member knows it.

If this member had any idea where she could pull quotes from those URLS which gave a logically valid conclusion that Iraqi CBW munitions were through a function of time or storage rendered harmless, this member would have posted it bold font and repeatedly. But what she did, as noted above, was to post URLs to give the impression that she was posting a “AUTHORITATIVE SOURCE” when in fact she knew of nothing within those sources which supported this nonsense.

She’s a LIAR as all leftists are liars… the whole of the ideology itself is a LIE and any observation of it, will always expose it and its loyalists as such.

In fact reports of the Iraqi CBW found after the liberation of Iraq were declared by the pro-terrorist, anti-US war effort left to be DEGRADED... which they intended to force the inference that they were so old they were now harmless, which this tool erroneously extrapolated to mean harmless and foolishly used the word "INERT."

The assertions that the Iraqi CBW was degraded was, first, wholly conjecture and secondly degraded CBW remains lethal beyond the imagination of the lay person. So what this member has done is to 'cherry pick' the intelligence and misrepresent the facts.

AGAIN: WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE WHICH SUPPORTS YOUR ASSERTION THAT IRAQI CBW WAS INERT?

Publius Infinitum · #62 (**permalink**) 06-16-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Back Atcha

This subject has already been beaten to death here and your position always winds up losing, and the loser always refuses to accept it.

So, rather than waste my time with you, I'm going to put you on ignore and let you play with some of the others on this site.

THIS IS A DEFAULT CONCESSION THAT HER ARGUMENT FAILS!

She claims that her opposition lost EVEN AS SHE LOSES!

Remember what I said earlier, leftists most often be found denouncing precisely that of which THEY ARE GUILTY!

We can rest assured that this member will be back, as she isn't bright enough to do otherwise and she is DESPERATE for ATTENTION.

Back Atcha · #63 (**permalink**) 06-16-2008, 11:46 AM

Now that Pube is out of sight, out of mind, we can get back on topic...
I can only assume Pube has claimed winning the agrument as I said It would and is typing things in even bigger fonts in a desperate attempt to draw attention to It's incredibly silly and off topic claims.

Anyway... back to the topic on hand.

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The Brookings Institute has released the latest figures and stats for the Iraq war.

TROOPS IN IRAQ

Iraqi Troops Trained and Able to Function Independent of U.S. Forces - 6,000 as of May 2007 (per NBC's "Meet the Press" on May 20, 2007)

Troops in Iraq - Total 159,907, including 150,000 from the US, 4,000 from the UK, 2,000 from Georgia, 900 from Poland, 650 from South Korea and 2,357 from all other nations

U.S. Troop Casualities - 4,085 US troops; 98% male. 90% non-officers; 80% active duty, 12% National Guard; 74% Caucasian, 10% African-American, 11% Latino. 18% killed by non-hostile causes. 51% of US casualties were under 25 years old. 70% were from the US Army

Non-U.S. Troop Casualties - Total 311, with 176 from the UK

US Troops Wounded - 30,143, 20% of which are serious brain or spinal injuries (total excludes psychological injuries)

US Troops with Serious Mental Health Problems - 30% of US troops develop serious mental health problems within 3 to 4 months of returning home

US Military Helicopters Downed in Iraq - 68 total, at least 36 by enemy fire

IRAQI TROOPS, CIVILIANS & OTHERS IN IRAQ

Private Contractors in Iraq, Working in Support of US Army Troops - More than 180,000 in August 2007, per The Nation/LA Times.

Journalists killed - 127, 84 by murder and 43 by acts of war

Journalists killed by US Forces - 14

Iraqi Police and Soldiers Killed - 8,301

Iraqi Civilians Killed, Estimated - A UN issued report dated Sept 20, 2006 stating that Iraqi civilian casualities have been significantly under-reported. Casualties are reported at 50,000 to over 100,000, but may be much higher. Some informed estimates place Iraqi civilian casualities at over 600,000.

Iraqi Insurgents Killed, Roughly Estimated - 55,000

Non-Iraqi Contractors and Civilian Workers Killed - 552

Non-Iraqi Kidnapped - 305, including 54 killed, 147 released, 4 escaped, 6 rescued and 94 status unknown.

Daily Insurgent Attacks, Feb 2004 - 14

Daily Insurgent Attacks, July 2005 - 70

Daily Insurgent Attacks, May 2007 - 163

Estimated Insurgency Strength, Nov 2003 - 15,000

Estimated Insurgency Strength, Oct 2006 - 20,000 - 30,000

Estimated Insurgency Strength, June 2007 - 70,000

QUALITY OF LIFE INDICATORS

Iraqis Displaced Inside Iraq, by Iraq War, as of May 2007 - 2,255,000

Iraqi Refugees in Syria & Jordan - 2.1 million to 2.25 million

Iraqi Unemployment Rate - 27 to 60%, where curfew not in effect

Consumer Price Inflation in 2006 - 50%

Iraqi Children Suffering from Chronic Malnutrition - 28% in June 2007 (Per CNN.com, July 30, 2007)

Percent of professionals who have left Iraq since 2003 - 40%

Iraqi Physicians Before 2003 Invasion - 34,000

Iraqi Physicians Who Have Left Iraq Since 2005 Invasion - 12,000

Iraqi Physicians Murdered Since 2003 Invasion - 2,000

Average Daily Hours Iraqi Homes Have Electricity - 1 to 2 hours, per Ryan Crocker, U.S. Ambassador to Iraq (Per Los Angeles Times, July 27, 2007)

Average Daily Hours Iraqi Homes Have Electricity - 10.9 in May 2007

Average Daily Hours Baghdad Homes Have Electricity - 5.6 in May 2007

Pre-War Daily Hours Baghdad Homes Have Electricity - 16 to 24

Number of Iraqi Homes Connected to Sewer Systems - 37%

Iraqis without access to adequate water supplies - 70% (Per CNN.com, July 30, 2007)

Water Treatment Plants Rehabilitated - 22%

RESULTS OF POLL Taken in Iraq in August 2005 by the British Ministry of Defense (Source: Brookings Institute)

Iraqis "strongly opposed to presence of coalition troops - 82%

Iraqis who believe Coalition forces are responsible for any improvement in security - less than 1%

Iraqis who feel less ecure because of the occupation - 67%

Iraqis who do not have confidence in multi-national forces - 72%

IRAQ INDEX
Tracking Reconstruction and Security
in Post-Saddam Iraq

Publius Infinitum · #64 (**permalink**) 06-16-2008, 12:20 PM

As I said... she's an attention whore who lacks the means to reason... a common leftist.

Back Atcha · #65 (**permalink**) 06-16-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Publius Infinitum

As I said... she's an attention whore who lacks the means to reason... a common leftist.

The lack of reason, is yours... it's my thread shit for brains.

Thanks for the heads up guys...

Stick to the topic

Oh, and since your reasoning is so poor I'm a GUY

Or is this yet another example of your famous inflamatory trolling abilities?

Or is it the juvenile attempt to continuing to garner atterntion just like the big colorful fonts you use?

Go on now... play with some others so they can rip your fallacious arguments to shreds and then ignore you as I have done.

Back on ignore...

Publius Infinitum · #66 (**permalink**) 06-16-2008, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Back Atcha

The lack of reason, is yours... it's my thread shit for brains.

Thanks for the heads up guys...

Stick to the topic

Oh, and since your reasoning is so poor I'm a GUY

Or is this yet another example of your famous inflamatory trolling abilities?

Or is it the juvenile attempt to continuing to garner atterntion just like the big colorful fonts you use?

Go on now... play with some others so they can rip your fallacious arguments to shreds and then ignore you as I have done.

Back on ignore...

It's a thread which you began for the purposes of discussion, in which you and have been exposed as a prattling fool prone to advance irrational conjecture as fact and is unable to discuss the basis of the conclusions found in her own referenced sources.

I was never on ignore and it's unlikely I will ever be on ignore. First I don't enjoy that kind of luck and second you need me, far more than I need you, sis.

Commissioner · #67 (**permalink**) 06-27-2008, 01:30 AM

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Dontcha just love how it completely ignores the posts it gets slammed back into the box on, then just continues spouting his ignorant distortions as if it never happened?

It'd be cute if it weren't seen so often on the right.

Is this clown full of himself, or what?

Truly a legend in his own mind.

Commissioner · #68 (**permalink**) 06-27-2008, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Back Atcha

Define Conservative for me... Is your only criteria that they must hate dems and libs?

Or are the concrete ideals such as smaller government, fewer taxes, the right to bear arms, etc?

Your opinion of me does not effect the reality of who I am...

A conservative believes that our inalienable rights do not include housing, healthcare or Hummers.

A conservative believes that our inalienable rights DO include the pursuit of happiness. That means it is guaranteed to no one.

A conservative believes that those who pursue happiness and find it have a right to not be penalized for that success.

A conservative believes that there are no protections against the hardship and heartache of failure. We believe that the right to fail is just as important as the chance to succeed and that those who do fail learn essential lessons that will help them the next time around.

A conservative believes in personal responsibility and accepts the consequences for his or her words and actions.

A conservative believes that real compassion can't be found in any government program.

A conservative believes that each of us has a duty to take care of our neighbors. It was private individuals, companies and congregations that sent water, blankets and supplies to New Orleans far before the government ever set foot there.

A conservative believes that family is the cornerstone of our society and that people have a right to manage their family any way they see fit, so long as it's not criminal. We are far more attuned to our family's needs than some faceless, soulless government program.

A conservative believes that people have a right to worship the God of their understanding. We also believe that people do not have the right to jam their version of God (or no God) down anybody else's throat.

A conservative believes that people go to the movies to be entertained and to church to be preached to, not the other way around.

A conservative believes that debt creates unhealthy relationships. Everyone, from the government on down, should live within their means and strive for financial independence.

A conservative believes that a child's education is the responsibility of the parents, not the government.

A conservative believes that every human being has a right to life, from conception to death.

A conservative believes in the smallest government you can get without anarchy. We know our history: The larger a government gets, the harder it will fall.

No need to say "thank you." It was my pleasure. Tell you what, how about just trying not to be such a pompous ass?

Oh, and lose the pretentiousness. "...does not effect (that's "affect", by the way) the reality of who I am."? Just reading that kind of crap makes me want to throw up. Who do you think you are? Frederich Neitsche?

Back Atcha · #69 (**permalink**) 06-27-2008, 09:48 AM

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A conservative believes that our inalienable rights do not include housing, healthcare or Hummers.

A realist believes that our rights are exactly as they are spelled out in the constitution and feel that the need to state the above is ridiculous, as it is already understood.

A conservative believes that our inalienable rights DO include the pursuit of happiness. That means it is guaranteed to no one.

Duh! See above

A conservative believes that those who pursue happiness and find it have a right to not be penalized for that success.

Right, right....

A conservative believes that there are no protections against the hardship and heartache of failure. We believe that the right to fail is just as important as the chance to succeed and that those who do fail learn essential lessons that will help them the next time around.

A corner stone of the entrepreneurial mindset... I'm with ya, however... one must be able to recognize failure when it happens and be willing to accept it. Not seeing that from the right a whole lot lately. I see them doing a whole lot of finger pointing to events a decade back.

A conservative believes in personal responsibility and accepts the consequences for his or her words and actions.

LMAO.... funny how conservatives talk the talk, but fail to walk the walk... See Above

A conservative believes that real compassion can't be found in any government program.

Yup, so true... so where do you find compassion? In bashing your fellow countrymen over differences in belief? Marginalizing those whose opinions differ from yours?

A conservative believes that each of us has a duty to take care of our neighbors. It was private individuals, companies and congregations that sent water, blankets and supplies to New Orleans far before the government ever set foot there.

It takes a village... sounds kinda touchy feely liberal to me... I'm just saying. I agree though. We could halve the problems in this country (drug abuse, abortion, gangs, education, etc.) if more people lived by that principle instead of just talking about it.

A conservative believes that family is the cornerstone of our society and that people have a right to manage their family any way they see fit, so long as it's not criminal. We are far more attuned to our family's needs than some faceless, soulless government program.

Just as long as "family" fits your narrow definition of the term. Anything outside of that, while not criminal is unacceptable and not worthy of your compassion, inclusion into the village, pursuit of happiness, chance to succeed... walk the walk dude...

A conservative believes that people have a right to worship the God of their understanding. We also believe that people do not have the right to jam their version of God (or no God) down anybody else's throat.

I agree personally, but, now you're just taking complete leave of what is reality. Trying to co-opt a liberal position while using religion to attack science, force school prayer, put the ten commandments on gov't grounds, vilify ALL muslims, corrupt biology in the schools, grandstand on the grounds that this is a christian country... Perhaps not you, but these are without a doubt current conservative positions.

A conservative believes that people go to the movies to be entertained and to church to be preached to, not the other way around.

A conservative believes that debt creates unhealthy relationships. Everyone, from the government on down, should live within their means and strive for financial independence.

Kinda hard when we are forced to debt based fiat currency. Care to explain how Clinton and the republican Congress balanced the budget to surplus, but the current administration has underfunded nearly every program while creating the largest deficit in US history? Not a fan of modern conservatives eh?

A conservative believes that a child's education is the responsibility of the parents, not the government.

No child left behind ring a bell? How about school choice? Home schooling? What is the conservative position on these issues again?

A conservative believes that every human being has a right to life, from conception to death.

Sure, no problem... just as long as they get to decide when that death is... capital punishment, wars of choice, Terry Schiavo, healthcare...

A conservative believes in the smallest government you can get without anarchy. We know our history: The larger a government gets, the harder it will fall.

Have you seen our government lately?

No need to say "thank you." It was my pleasure. Tell you what, how about just trying not to be such a pompous ass?

Just as soon as you abandon being a lunkhead.

Oh, and lose the pretentiousness. "...does not effect (that's "affect", by the way) the reality of who I am."? Just reading that kind of crap makes me want to throw up. Who do you think you are? Frederich Neitsche?

It's not pretentious... it's true... doesn't change the reality. ANd not nearly as pretentious as trying to feminize someone by calling them sweetie and asking them to make coffee... condescension doesn't suit you well.

Honestly, you raised some very good points that we should all aspire to. I just don't see a whole lot of anything you mentioned in the current conservative climate. And this is why I have very little "compassion" for the right at the moment. My values haven't changed... it's the right that has moved to the far corner, I've stayed right where I'm at, feet planted firmly on the ground, unmoving. It's the two parties that have wandered into the far corners. I'm on board with everything you listed above and have been most of my life. But I would NEVER ally myself with the current conservatives. See, I do my damnedest to practice what I preach.

You?

Commissioner · #70 (**permalink**) 06-27-2008, 10:24 AM

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It's not pretentious... it's true... doesn't change the reality. ANd not nearly as pretentious as trying to feminize someone by calling them sweetie and asking them to make coffee... condescension doesn't suit you well.

Honestly, you raised some very good points that we should all aspire to. I just don't see a whole lot of anything you mentioned in the current conservative climate. And this is why I have very little "compassion" for the right at the moment. My values haven't changed... it's the right that has moved to the far corner, I've stayed right where I'm at, feet planted firmly on the ground, unmoving. It's the two parties that have wandered into the far corners. I'm on board with everything you listed above and have been most of my life. But I would NEVER ally myself with the current conservatives. See, I do my damnedest to practice what I preach.

You?

Yeah, I do to.