Back,

You lost the war on Communism, 2000 election and the war in Iraq.

Liberals have a perfect record since WWII.......0 for 5.

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Democrats have betrayed the American people.

First of all Pube... You never rebutted my response to you Czech argument, so let's just chalk that one up to YOUR bafoonery.

Second, it's a well known tactic on forums for those with weak arguments to pull out the "I'm an expert, I served in blah, blah blah, I'm a professional (fill in the blank) in a lame attempt to back up their assertions when they are incapable ( as you are) of providing anything else to back up their claim (as you have STILL NOT provided ANYTHING to back one word of anything you claim. But, I'll keep playing along...

Now let me see if I understand you correctly. You claim that you are more highly qualified and better trained than the REAL experts employed to seek out and destroy Iraq's remaining chemical and biological weapons? That you know better than the folks who were ACTUALLY there what the condition number of those weapons were? Tell me... what exactly is the color of the sky in your world?

Furthermore, your assumption that Iraq was capable of storing AND hiding these weapons in storage facilities comparable to those housing Russian or US stockpiles with environmental controls and protection from the elements is, at the risk of being ineloquent, STUPID! Most were buried under the sand in the desert.

You are also making the ridiculous assumption that Iraq possessed the same high level of manufacturing capability of the worlds two superpowers. Given that these technologies were given to the Iraqis by one or both of these countries... how smart do you think it would be for us to give him the best they had? I think it's safe to say that the tech Saddam received was DECADES OLD! It's called SAFEGUARDING MILITARY CRITICAL TECHNOLOGIES. But then, if you were trained as you claim you were (NOT) you would have known this.

Now then Pube, you can attempt to label the following source as leftist media in a feeble attempt to cast doubt, but it's the content that you must provide proof against. Such as the MCTL (Military Critical Technologies List), and Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction Programs
U.S. Government White Paper, released February 13, 1998

Also, do not attempt to obfuscate the veracity of the information based on it's publication date. All necessary information was available at the time of publication. It will be viewed, especially in light of you not having provided a single document to back up your twisted perceptions, as a LIE!

Your attempt to claim that your fanciful training in NCB is the "kill shot" just made you look like a complete DUMBASS! How could you not know that Iraq's tech capabilities were primitive by comparison to either the US or Russia? Why would you assume that their level of sophistication came anywhere near those necessary to produce the weapons you dream up?

Ya see Pube, you have come across one of the few people on this site that has the patience, will and intelligence to go past three mouse clicks to get the research I need to make "leftist on the brain" or any other fill-in-the-blank-on-the-brain look like the horribly misguided souls they are.

I suggest you get your facts straight next time, cite some sources and stow the I'm an expert bullshit. Anything short of that and you will get slapped down again, and again, just like on the Czech subject. Now, squeeze your head through the doorway if you can and don't the door hit your brain on the way out.

Good day sir


I SAID GOOD DAY!


ROFLMAO...

Oh, and ya might wanna invest in a spell checker.

and you haven't made an accurate post since I got here, which makes you about 0 for 500.

I'm not a liberal. I just get a HUGE kick out of pointing out fallacious arguments. And since the Bushies, Bushbots and rabid right provide ample material... I can see how you might erroneously make that false assumption.

It's a good one though, too bad you wasted it on the wrong person.

I'm not a liberal.

Sure and William Jefferson did not steal that $90,000 in his freezer.

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Democrats have betrayed the American people.

Your need to pigeon hole folks into one of the two parties is not my problem. There are more shades of grey than black or white.

Define Conservative for me... Is your only criteria that they must hate dems and libs?

Or are the concrete ideals such as smaller government, fewer taxes, the right to bear arms, etc?

Your opinion of me does not effect the reality of who I am...

That's a lie... I have repeatedly refuted your position and the position of the US Senate Intelligence Report AND The 9-11 Commission Report where I noted that the BASIS in reasoning used to sum the conclusions found in BOTH of the reports was erroneous.

I noted that BOTH reports concluded that Atta could NOT have been in Prague when the Czech intelligence services said he was there, because the ATM Card and Cell phone registered to "Mohammad Atta" is known to have been in Florida during the relevant time-frame AND that the individual with whom Atta is said to have met with denies it was Atta... This assumes a couple of things which are at BEST dubious assumptions; giving the benefit of the doubt to people who simply are not deserving of it; each possesses credibility that is nowhere NEAR worthy of that benefit and only desperate fools or complicit liars would even consider it...

First: that Atta was not known to use aliases.

Atta was an intelligence operative, operating in deep cover executing a mission on the orders of International Islamic Terrorism and was known to use dozens of aliases and was adroit at traveling under assumed identities. Carrying identification and equipment registered to another alias would compromise whatever identity he may be traveling under, so that identification and cell phones registered to another name would, as a matter of simple common sense, be left where that alias is operating.

Second: That the denial of the Iraqi intelligence officer who is said to have met with Atta is accurate.

If he says he never met with the lead hijacker that attacked the US on 9-11, he knew he would be released and return to his life after being interviewed; if he admitted that he met with the lead hijacker of the 9-11 attack, he would be held captive and at BEST, tried for his complicity and likely executed by the US OR be returned to Iraq where, he would likely be killed by Hussein loyalists and or al Qaeda...

Your argument must assume that Atta was a regular Joe; traveled under his only name; carrying with him his cell phone and ATM card as would any normal person. It assumes that Iraqi Intelligence operators are going to confess to directly aiding and abetting the lead hijacker which is responsible for the murder of 3000 innocent people and a trillion dollar loss to the US economy. Your argument gives the unwarranted benefit of the doubt to people who do not even come CLOSE to deserving it.


The nature of the proxy relationship leaves few trails and you simply reject out of hand the intelligence which establishes evidence that points to such a relationship; choosing to accept on face value the absurd rationalizations drawn by federal reports, chaired and designed by the political opposition, the ideological allies of our enemy, who hope to discredit the administration destroying the enemies of th United States.

Your argument is a desperate appeal to the authority of those reports; with you incapable of arguing a single element within the basis of any of them.

Your argument is wholly fallacious and stands thoroughly refuted.




I neither made such a claim, nor is such a claim so much as relevant to my argument. What this deceitful assertion does is attempt to avoid the reality that is the total failure of his argument. What it IS, is fallacious bloviate designed to distract from the chronic fatal flaw which stands as the whole of your argument.



ROFL... Ahh yes... Storing CBW underground is vastly different from that used by the US and the SU... which stores and stored CBW underground. You’re an idiot.

There is really nothing more to effectively storing CBW than placing them in hermetically sealed containers and keeping them in a cool, dry place. Now loading them into artillery munitions handles the hermetic seal and burying them in the desert would keep them cool and dry...


If anyone is 'assuming' anything, it is you that is assuming that Iraq didn't possess qualified scientists and as a sovereign state that it could not put together a basic laboratory and processing site in the WHOLE OF IRAQ's millions of square miles, sufficient to process weaponized Nerve Agent. A building the size of the average 7-11 or couple of air-conditioned Semi-trailers would be more than sufficient to produce massive quantities of CBW.

This is a raw appeal to authority which desperately and rather erroneously projects these sites as supporting your argument. Not one word from you correlates a scintilla of data with a valid correlating conclusion in support of your own, from any of these sites/documents, anywhere in this or the balance of your rants.

Why would anyone bother doing any of that? You've not established relevance to a WORD of it... You've just posted vague references and vacuously project that they support this detached, rambling rhetorical train-wreck.

To imbeciles, perhaps... But I usually discount what imbeciles have to say on pretty much everything.

As a matter of course, I usually just note that you have yet to show a sliver of evidence which might lead ANY objective observer that Iraqi CBW was INERT; and in so noting laughing at what a fool you are for trying to hide your failure by posting this idiocy.

This just repeats the same irrelevant nonsense you posted in the above discredited screed...


What you are is neither patient, nor intelligent. You're a desperate imbecile that enjoys attention.

Not a single post issued under your screen name has possessed a single valid point. That is astounding, in and of itself. Any average 12 year old would be hard pressed to post that volume of argument and not hit at the MINIMUM: a valid point. Hells bells, even Mike Moore trips over a logically sound argument ONCE IN A WHILE... but not you.

More disjointed, irrelevant gibberish... You’re helpless…

Let the record reflect that this imbecile EMPHATICALLY ASSERTED that ALL OF THE CBW found in Iraq was INERT.

He was DIRECTLY CHALLENGED TO POST EVIDENCE WHICH SUPPORTED THAT ASSERTION AND BECAUSE HE COULD NOT DO THAT, HE RAN TO THE FALLACIOUS BS YOU SEE EVISCERATED ABOVE!

ROFLMNAO... Notice how this argument makes a specific denunciation of the use of PARTY labels; labels which, FTR: were not asserted. But in this feeble defense we find vague references which seek to force the inference that this member is somethign resembling a conservative.

I challenge this member to state in plain language, the ideas which she holds which speak to the pre-existing individual right to keep and bear arms; her notion of 'smaller government' and 'fewer taxes,' which she feels is indicative of her being something other than a leftists.

Of course we will compare and contrast her response to her previous posts... and that alone will be fodder for weeks of berating and belitting...

I'm talking about the evidence supplied in this post...
http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/459046-post34.html #34






Again, you have provided nothing but conjecture to refute this. Nothing but your ridiculous ranting BS. If you don't mind, I'll take the word of folks that were there or actually have access to the docuements and intel over some keyboard commando anyday.


Then your intellectual laziness didn't allow you to read the posts provided. That being the case, how would you know if there was any relevance or not?


While ignoring your own failure to post ANYTHING relevant to your claims. Which is the third time I've pointed this out. How preciously convenient.

So was I... and I'm not restating the argument. Except to say that with regard to conjecture... you're entire argument along with the conclusions drawn in your sourced evidence is ALL CONJECTURE. Proving once AGAIN that where ever you have the opportunity, YOU CHOOSE TO GIVE THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT TO THE ENEMIES OF THE UNITED STATES.




WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE THAT IRAQI CBW MUNITIONS FOUND IN IRAQ WAS INERT AS YOU EMPHATICALLY ASSERTED?

Holy shit your retarded. I've already supplied it. Anyone who's interested can click the links and verify it for themselves, instead of taking some fucktards word for it. The fact that you refuse to look at anything that condtradicts your lame ass arguments that have been proven fallacious years ago, is not my problem.

This subject has already been beaten to death here and your position always winds up losing, and the loser always refuses to accept it.

So, rather than waste my time with you, I'm going to put you on ignore and let you play with some of the others on this site. Granted, you will run into planty of people even more retarded than you, but a few will beat you down as I have.

I'm sure you'll do the completely predictable (and childish) thing that all posters do when told that someone is leaving you circle of hell argument, claim victory. Hardly the case at all. You're warse than a waste of time, you're a waste of space. You bullshit isn't worth the electrons needed to display it. You're arguing shit that has already been settled several times over as if it's a brand new take on it. It's not. It's old and tired.

Have fun little girl.