First, let's note that she was wholly unable to post ANY DOCUMENT(s) which provided ANY Evidence which could lead ANYONE to conclude that every intelligence service in the world believes that Iraq was innocent of ANY support of ANY element of international Islamic terrorism that attacked the US on 9-11...


Secondly and on the whole, what you see here is a leftist that has concluded that since the Iraqi intelligence agent deiend talking to Mohammad Atta, that, well, it didn't happen. This despite he Czech intelligence service maintianing to this day that it did happen...

You see friends, intelligence is a puzzle where a few peices fit and more often than not large segments are missing. Thus conclusions must be drawn from those peices that DO fit and where doubt exists, the benefit must be assigned somehwere by whoever it is that is examining the puzzle.

Leftists HAVE ALWAYS GIVEN THE BENEFIT OF THAT DOUBT TO OUR ENEMIES.

The Czech intelligence service says it did happen, the Iraqi intelligence agent says it didn't... There's a doubt there... so who do we believe? We can believe the Czechs who are basing their belief on the memo in the Iraqi embassy which speaks to a meeting by a former Hamburg student and eye witness accounts which physically identified Atta as being there... or do we believe the Iraqi Intelligence officer who denies it, who knew full well that to not deny it, places him PERSONALLY as BEING DIRECTLY COMPLICIT IN THE 9-11 ATTACK ON THE US?

Again... the leftist dominated 9-11 commission gave the benefit of the doubt to Iraqi intelligence and backed that up with the certain knowledge that Mohammad Atta's cell phone and ATM card (each registered to "Mohammad Atta") were in Florida on the dates when he was said to be in Prague and that Mohammad Atta had used dozens of aliases to conceal his movements in previous years, was NOT CONSIDERED RELEVANT!

It's all lies and those of the damnable variety. Lies which are said to be truth and this on the basis of segments of 'real documents,' documents which are founded in reports designed to project the BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT TO OUR ENEMIES; reports that intentionally force the inference which leaves the proponents of international Islamic terrorism to be misunderstood victims of an evil cabal which forced the world to war....

Of course these reports side step 9-11 and the insternational Islamics that attacked us on that day; they simply accept that as fact and seek to go about casting the pale of innocents on those complicit in that attack.

Here's the thing though... Al qaeda is nothing more than a management group which exploits pre-existing Islamic terrorist groups.

Al Qaeda is who ever is being plied by that management group at the time... Individuals from Hezbollah and Hamas and any of dozens of other lessor known groups from around the world are used at any time and any place to do what ever the job requires... They come from Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Iran and Iraq, the fillipines, Malaysia, England, Spain, France and yes, even the United States... Tim McViegh and Terry Nichols worked with Al qaeda and Nichols numerous trips to the Fillipines coincided with the same time in which the Bomber that made the bomb that exploded in the basement of the WTC in 1993 was there... Of course it's said that Nichols went to the Fillipines to visit his in-laws, who were citizens there; I mean how many of you jump on the plane, leaving your spouse at home, so you can go visit your in-laws? I'm sure it happens all the time...

Again, there's a doubt and the benefit of that doubt is given to the terrorists.

The beauty of proxy warriors such as al Qaeda is that inherent in their design is discretion; the means to conceal alliances, agreements, deals, contracts and most of all... CONTACTS!

In Civil law in most countries and most importantly in the US, to gain a conviction, the evidence must rise above that lofty threshold of DOUBT! Where there is a REASONABLE DOUBT, the system gives the benefit of that doubt to the accussed. It necessarily high threshold in civil law, to prevent the awesome power of the state from being unfairly used against the powerless individual.

These people are at war with us and by default we are at are with them and never in the history of mankind has any nation ever defeated an enemy by forcing themselves to provide the benefit of the ever present doubt to that enemy. This enemy is gaming our system; it knows our system and is using the weakness designed into it for the protection of the INNOCENT, against us and the ideological left is complicit, perhaps through their iherent intellectual limitations, perhaps through their subversive desire to see us defeated, but they are nonetheless complicit in allowing the enemy to game us.

They're not with us friends and it's time we begin to treat them for what they are: THE ENEMY!

PI,

The 2006 Senate Intel reports conclude rather definitively that there was no working relationship between Saddam's regime and Al Qaeda; in fact, Saddam was distrustful of Al Qaeda and considered them a threat....and he should've as he was a secular leader of an Arab/Muslim state.

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ROFLMNAO... Yeah, I hear ya friend… and again we find a member that finds absolute comfort in the rather obvious conclusion that Hussein was distrustful of other mass murderers... Of course he was also distrustful of the Christian Church, the Peace Corps, the Kiwanis Club and Troop 2112 of the Boy Scouts of America, The Red Hat Ladies Club, along with the Midland Police and Fire Department. But this distrust would not have prevented him from using any of those groups if he had felt that using them would have been to his advantage.

That's the nature of psychotic mass murderers... they're crazy, to be sure, but as a general rule, when they've risen to international prominence, such as becoming the despotic leader of a sovereign state or the most infamous terrorist management group in world history, they're most decidedly, not stupid.

Also, this notion that Hussein was secular is a myth beyond reason. Hussein was a devout Muslim, surely distinct in practice from the radical Islamic perspective of Al Qaeda, but Hussein was a devout Sunni Muslim nonetheless.

I ADORE that the left is somewhat sckitzo on this issue. When it suits them to declare Hussein as something other than a threat; a declaration designed to set aside the justification for invading Iraq, they run to declare that Hussein was 'Secular.' But in point of fact, Hussein was secular for political expediency only as he was an ideological socialists... A fact the left rejects with nearly the same fervor as their denial of Mussolini’s lifelong adherence to socialist governance. Hussein governed as the leader of the Iraqi Baath Socialist Party. But Hussein, as is the case in the leadership of nearly every Muslim nation was a devout Muslim and he could not have ruled Iraq or any other Muslim nation had he declared himself 'secular.' Everything about him, from his political speeches, through his governance practices were all centered around his brand of Islam and he most definitely would have had your tongue ripped from your head, had you stated within his sphere of influence that he was secular.

But returning to the point regarding his distrust of Al Qaeda; he distrusted everyone. In his business, as tyrannical leftist, trust was and remains something other than a strength and to turn ones back on that certainty was and remains tantamount to suicide.

Now what you’re concluding is that because Hussein was distrustful of al Qaeda, this meant he would not do business with al Qaeda. This is a spurious conclusion which is discredited by the fact that he did not trust ANYONE he did business with and he did a lot of business.

The simple fact is, as I have said above, Al Qaeda is nothing more than a management group. It exploits the assets and means of pre-existing Islamic terrorist organizations from around the world. These organizations are inherently secure because they utilize local tribesmen, in effect, their an Islamic Mafia who are well known to one another and infiltration is made exponentially more difficult by this trait. So while one would be a fool to trust al Qaeda, be they Muslim, Jew, Christian or Secular Progressive (Atheist), one can be certain that discretion and secrecy is their best selling trait and trails leading to them or from them are fleeting as anyone that risks exposing those trails are rarely found breathing. So that there is little evidence of Iraq and al Qaeda cooperating is hardly a sign that such did not occur. Close ties are bad for Al Qaeda’s business and it’s exponentially WORSE for sovereign nations who are found with close ties to al Qaeda. Such was the case prior to 9-11, as it remains the case today. So these conclusions that cling to such loose associations being analogous to innocence are specious AT BEST!

The evidence that Hussein cooperated, supported and promoted international terrorism is endless. That he did so with individual groups and not directly through "THE BASE" in no way sets him up as being anything less than complicit in the activity of those groups, EACH OF WHICH comprise the inventory of assets which rest in al Qaeda's murderous warehouse of death, until such time that they are called upon to execute the agreements formed through these barely discernable relationships.

There was chrisitans there as well. INcluding Taraq Aziz whom I belive was catholic,. So Americans can hate him twice.

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Good typing is not inteligent its dexiteritous.

Everything you just said is total bullshit

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V8Ek...eature=related

Thanx TS....

This of course is designed as a rather disengenuous show of the 'secular nature' of Hussien... but there are Christians in every Muslim nation on earth and again; Iraq under Hussein was a Socialist nation and while it's true that Aziz is Catholic, he is a Socialists first and it should be noted that it is also true that he is the only Christian that was posted anywhere near power in the Hussein government and he was there as the Face of Iraq to the Diplomatic World, serving as Iraq's Foriegn Minister.

Now Hussein didn't trust the Catholics, but one of his top advisors was a Catholic, as such served to his advantage.

You still try to sneak in your lies concerning this subject and you have been busted several times.

You lost the war in Iraq. Americans kicked your ass into the 23rd century.

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This is all very intresting I guess but means jac and shit. NO matter your certina version of hussieens actions. He wasnt a Muslim fanatic. He never supprted them and fought them constantly. Regardless of his allies or enemeis the nation was no threat to the US at all.

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Cussing out low class inbreds isnt uninteligent, its honest

Good typing is not inteligent its dexiteritous.

Everything you just said is total bullshit

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V8Ek...eature=related

YES, Leftists LOST the war on Terrorism. That's not news... but I don't think Osama could offer more of a better advocacy for terrorism than THESE PEOPLE!

And just so you comrades know...

THERE ARE NO LEFTIST AMERICANS!

Hi PI,

One of the main selling points of this war was the implied connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda. It was implied over and over again. And that is why Americans supported this bad idea of a war in 2003....out of fear based on recent memories of 9/11. Yes, Saddam's people had been involved in terrorism in the past e.g., Palestine, etc. But, that was not what drove the train here, PI, was it? Two words, PI....."Al Qaeda." Here is a link to the 2006 Senate Intel Report....start on Page 105:
http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf

As it turns out, the Saddam/Al Qaeda connection was primarily a bunch of fear mongering on the part of the Bush Administration who used this alleged connection to drive fear into an already scared nation.....just to get their war. Oh, and by the way, Iraq was NO THREAT to the United States.....anyone who believes that is probably scared of their own shadow.

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