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06-09-2008, 03:51 PM
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You're kidding, right?
Neither war is "mission accomplished", sorry.
OBL is still at large in Afstan, and the Taliban are still a severe threat to the Afstan people.
Iraq is hardly stable, and niether is their government. People still die on a daily basis, both inncoent Iraqi civilians and US/Allied troops. Also, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, why are you even bringing that up in relation to "Operation Human Shield in Iraq"? And we "freed" those "50 million" peopel to subject them to cosntant civil war, hunger, deprivations, and death. Hardly a noble cause.
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Iraq is more stable than cities and states that Democrats control in the US.
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06-09-2008, 03:54 PM
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Not that it matters, there are only two words to describe the pre-invasion Iraqi intelligence: GEORGE TENET
Amazing, Liberals do not touch these two little words with a 50 foot pole. 
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06-10-2008, 03:11 AM
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Iraq is more stable than cities and states that Democrats control in the US.
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Sure, we have militants running rampant blowing up car bombs and bomb vests in DC.
I sit firmly on the Moderate fence, laughing at the cons and libs as they try to slap fight each other like a pair of nerds.
Your partisan whore statement above is a perfect example.
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06-10-2008, 08:17 AM
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Sure, we have militants running rampant blowing up car bombs and bomb vests in DC.
I sit firmly on the Moderate fence, laughing at the cons and libs as they try to slap fight each other like a pair of nerds.
Your partisan whore statement above is a perfect example.
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These drug dealers that have taken over the inner cities are using bullets not bombs.
Yes, I'm a conservative and I will show my bias. Feel free to attack.
When will Obama be honest about his black panther militant agenda?
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06-10-2008, 04:37 PM
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The report given as this thread starter. Here, let me help:
"The report also said administration prewar statements on Iraq's weapons programs were backed up in most cases by available U.S. intelligence, but officials failed to reflect internal debate over those findings, which proved wrong."
Like insisting that information used by informants they knew were unreliable, even unstable, was reliable.
"...BACKED UP IN MOST CASES BY AVAILABLE U.S INTELLIGENCE..."
If your using information that you know is unreliable, that you've been told is unreliable, then you are manipulating that info. Of course it's going to back up your position.
Wasn't the first time an administration has used spin to advance an agenda and won't be the last.
And that's okay with you? That the manipulation has cost thousands of lives, mistrust, trillions of dollars?
"That's the difference between you and I. I don't have party blinders on."
I've already posted in here how I think the Iraq war was a mistake...in hindsight. But those like you that "don't have party blinders on." (lolol) are more interested in attacking the administration than looking into the intelligence failures that led to the bad info. Sad.
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That statement wasn't directed at you. However, there is no hindsight for me. I was against the Iraq war from the start. I did, however, give Bush the chance to prove that he knew what he was doing. He blew it. Perhaps it's okay to go to war on shaky information. It is NOT okay to go to war on information that you know to be unreliable (at best).
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06-11-2008, 10:59 AM
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If your using information that you know is unreliable, that you've been told is unreliable, then you are manipulating that info. Of course it's going to back up your position.
Is this what Clinton's cronie George "Slam Dunk" Tenet did as a political set up to attack Bush?
Tenet could face charges of treason and murder!
I can't wait for Slam Dunk Tenet to testify in these impeachment hearings. 
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06-11-2008, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Senate "Report" AKA: Leftist Rationalization to crank up the Husseiniacs
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush and his top policymakers misstated Saddam Hussein's links to terrorism and ignored doubts among intelligence agencies about Iraq's arms programs as they made a case for war, the Senate intelligence committee reported on Thursday.
{blah blah blah…}
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This "Report" and particularly the Leftist slant on that report, is just more Bush hating anti-American Radical leftist (Pardon the redundancy) propaganda. It's analogous to the vaunted 9-11 Commission that concluded that Mohamad Atta (The Lead Hijacker on 911, who was known to have used dozens of aliases in his life) COULD NOT have met with Iraqi intelligence in Prague, CZ, because his ATM card (Registered under the name “Mohammad Atta”) and his cell phone (again registered under “Mohammad Atta”) was known to have been in Florida at the time... and there was really no chance that he may have travelled under an assumed name other than "Mohammad Atta." I mean, hey, that's a lot of trouble and someone plotting to attack the US and murder tens of thousands of innocent people wouldn't want to bother with all the cloak and dagger stuff...
You remember THAT commission? The one where the women that created the law that separated the information that intelligence and domestic law enforcement could share... Jamie Gorellick sat on... It's the one where Clinton National Security Adviser Sandy Berger was caught shoving un-cataloged intelligence documents in his pants while he was 'reviewing' the files of the former Clinton regime, then hid them under a construction trailer and later claimed it was an accident. (You know how that is Right? I mean we’ve all had dozens of Classified: Top Secret documents fall into our pants…)
Yeah, the commission that was asked to look into events leading up to 9-11 and turned into the "Cover the Clinton Regimes' Butt and excuse Iraq at all Cost, to make Bush look Bad" commission.
This report is more of that nonsense. It’s a result of the leftist returning to power and part and parcel of 'the New Tone" that Hussein is promoting... it falls right into line with the Socialist Kucinich trying to pass a bill of Impeachment.
They're idiots and are NEVER to be taken seriously. At least not until they start the revolution and then it's open seriously and we must seriously observe hunting safety at that point; but not so much in the mean time.
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06-11-2008, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by freedomlover1
That statement wasn't directed at you. However, there is no hindsight for me. I was against the Iraq war from the start. I did, however, give Bush the chance to prove that he knew what he was doing. He blew it. Perhaps it's okay to go to war on shaky information. It is NOT okay to go to war on information that you know to be unreliable (at best).
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Of course the Iraq war was not a mistake and while the execution wasn't perfect, no war has ever been executed any better and with so many leftists being involved and so many decisions being made to avoid leftist criticism, what were the odds that it was going to go well.
Iraq was an overt proponent of international terrorism and had long been a user of International Islamic Terrorism to attack his enemies INCLUDING US CITIZENS, THE US, her interests and ALLIES. Iraq was already providing safe haven and other aid and comforts to Al qaeda fleeing Afghanistan which is how Zarchoui got there. But Hussein (No relation to Hussein OBAMA) had given safe haven to Al qaeda members that attacked the US in 1993 in the previous WTC attack, so there was nothing new there.
The war in Iraq is merely a campaign within the greater global war in Islamic Terrorism and was instrumental in the success of that war.
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06-11-2008, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by NAT
Sure, we have militants running rampant blowing up car bombs and bomb vests in DC.
I sit firmly on the Moderate fence, laughing at the cons and libs as they try to slap fight each other like a pair of nerds.
Your partisan whore statement above is a perfect example.
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OH How cool! A fascist... I wonder if they realize that 'the Third way, the middle ground, the alternative to the political poles' is the battle cry of the fascists AKA: the Progressives...
They're the worst of the bunch, independents that can't find the gonads to face what they are: LEFTISTS! Anti-Americans, without the courage to commit. Grow a pair and embrace what you are, stop hiding behind the children soaking themelves in the yellow middle.
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06-11-2008, 04:32 PM
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These drug dealers that have taken over the inner cities are using bullets not bombs.
Yes, I'm a conservative and I will show my bias. Feel free to attack.
When will Obama be honest about his black panther militant agenda?
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Hussein isn't going to get honest about anything. He's a LEFTISTS! They're liars. Deceit and the ideological left are synonymous.
BTW: I want you to know I wasn't smacking you personally in my opening post. Just the report...
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