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06-06-2008, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by freedomlover1
Nothing would have changed my mind about Iraq, not then, not now and it has nothing to do with the media. Afghanistan was a justifiable war. I can get 100% behind that. Iraq was this Presidents war of choice and opportunity and he blew it.
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The wars are over and Americans won the wars.
If you supported the war in Afghanistan, you supported the war in Iraq.
Many Al Qaida terrorists went to Iraq for a safehaven.
If you still did not support the war in Iraq, then you never did support attacking those reponsible for the 911 attacks.
You could not have supported one without the other. Nevertheless, Americans defeated the Al Qaida and freed 50 million innocent people.
President Bush and the US soldiers are heros! 
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06-06-2008, 08:40 AM
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Easy Oil! Nectar of the rich.
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Right..that's exactly why we have 140 dollar a barrel oil right now. Go figure. A better question is why didn't these NOBLE CONGRESSMEN that were privy to all this knowledge from the start to the finish...inform the rest of the nation that they were being deceived? Could it be that they....just like Mr. Bush, actually believed these reports and based executive decisions upon the same faulty information that Several other world leaders did? How long must this dead animal be beaten? What is Mr. Black Hussein going to do with this information, pull DEFEAT from the jaws of VICTORY, once that a workable solution has been showing results? People need to go back though the archives and see what else can be thrown upon on the election year wall to SEE WHAT STICKS. BD
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06-06-2008, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Badmutha
I agree completely.....liberals are bad enough.....but the 9/11 truthers have a mindset completely absent of reality.......to think the US government can plan and pull of the biggest conspiracy in history....perfectly...without a hitch........well they must be smoking the good shit
Well E.T. says its fortune...and you say its glory......hmmmm...
Well Freedom.....your theory of Bush's quest for glory....it still relies on Bush misrepresenting the pre-war information, as well as misleading the entire country...to get his glory war started...does it not??
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Partially, Badmutha.....and I also think they did. Fear is a great motivator....and they used it well
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Are you going to tell me Bush thought no one would ever review or validate his justifications at some point? I mean cmon...the democrat party??..who investigates anything and everything.
Was Bush risking his legacy on the chance that democrats would not investigate every bit of the Iraq War....I dont think so
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Oh, I think so. Establishing a great legacy takes some risk, Badmutha. They thought
- It was going to be relatively easy with the majority of our forces home by December...2003.
- And they thought that they would find at least something in the form of WMD....most of us did (including myself)....and that is all it would take. Just think how much you and others would be jumping up and down if they had found just one Tide box full of Anthrax. That's all we'd here about.
If both of these situations came to fruition, no one would be interested in Democratic investigations....in fact, there would be no Democratic investigations.
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Bush just didnt start bombing Iraq one day...he tried diplomacy....he tried letting inspectors do their job. There was only one person that had the power to avoid this war.........Sadam......and he chose not too.
Lets say Sadam would have let the inspectors complete their job......and it was verified Sadam had no WMD's......what was Bush's plan B??....attack Mexico??
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One theory that I have is that this above is the primary reason we went in with so few troops when we did....while other studies and people claimed we needed several hundred thousand troops....not for the fight, but to secure the peace afterwards; instead, we went in with 160K. Building up a force of several hundred thousand takes time....probably a couple of more months. And I think there was fear that Saddam was beginning to acquiesce....and a couple of more months may have extinguished their primary reason for going into Iraq.
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Bush saw a threat....and he moved to extinguish it.
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Bullshit. If anyone saw Iraq as a threat, they're an idiot. But, they convinced you I'm sure....good old fashion fear mongering 101...in the wake of 9/11. That's all it was.
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Fault him as you may.....if Bin Laden had been eliminated by Clinton...rather than passed up...we wouldnt have had 9/11....we wouldnt have had the Afghanastan War or the Iraq war for that matter.
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Not this shit again. Well.....ahh, fuck it....I'm not going to waste my breath.
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Every president that has made the decision to take this country to war......has made the case why we should...rather than why we shoudnt....Bush was no different
Like so many liberals..you have deemed this war non-justified....question is....what would have changed your mind....I mean before the liberal media changed it for you??
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Nothing.
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06-06-2008, 03:15 PM
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The report says Bush relied on the available intelligence. Shoots the shit out of the "Bush lied" crowd, even if they are too stupid to realize it. More irrelevant, partisan bullshit. If you idiots want to wait until all intelligence is "substantiated", go right ahead. Even the smarter ones of your crowd, though they won't admit it publicly, know that isn't the way it works. Its not an exact science.
And heaven forbid, don't bring up Clinton and Osama...though the9/11 report faulted Clinton for his failures with Osama, we all know THAT part of the report was just right-wing partisanship. 
The parts where Bush is blamed, why, thats excellent work. This part doesn't blame Bush? Obvious partisanship. This part blames Clinton? Obvious partisanship. This part says Bush has blame? Excellent report.
So pathetically transparent. But whatever snaps your beans. 
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06-06-2008, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by justme
The report says Bush relied on the available intelligence. Shoots the shit out of the "Bush lied" crowd, even if they are too stupid to realize it. More irrelevant, partisan bullshit. If you idiots want to wait until all intelligence is "substantiated", go right ahead. Even the smarter ones of your crowd, though they won't admit it publicly, know that isn't the way it works. Its not an exact science.
And heaven forbid, don't bring up Clinton and Osama...though the9/11 report faulted Clinton for his failures with Osama, we all know THAT part of the report was just right-wing partisanship. 
The parts where Bush is blamed, why, thats excellent work. This part doesn't blame Bush? Obvious partisanship. This part blames Clinton? Obvious partisanship. This part says Bush has blame? Excellent report.
So pathetically transparent. But whatever snaps your beans. 
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What report? The one that just came out that crosses the intelligence used with the speeches that Bush/Rumsfeld were giving. The intelligence used did not match what the speeches were saying. Bush "misstated" ALOT.
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06-07-2008, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by wow
The wars are over and Americans won the wars.
Cool, if we won both wars we can bring our troops home then. Do you really believe that just because President Bush says "mission accomplished", that it was truly accomplished? Are you really that gullible? If so, I have some Ocean front property in Kansas that I would like to sell you, and you don't have to worry about hurricanes.
If you supported the war in Afghanistan, you supported the war in Iraq.
Many Al Qaida terrorists went to Iraq for a safehaven.
Bullshit. Afghanistan was a righteous war and if we had put the majority of our resources to fighting Al Qaeda there, we might have actually accomplished something. Instead Bush CREATED the situation in Iraq, and screwed up in BOTH places.
If you still did not support the war in Iraq, then you never did support attacking those reponsible for the 911 attacks.
Bullshit. The group that was responsible for attacking on 9/11 had NOTHING to do with Iraq. I can't believe you buy in to such crap. However, it is well documented by our own intelligence reports, that Al Qaeda is stronger than ever where they originated, AFGHANISTAN.
You could not have supported one without the other. Nevertheless, Americans defeated the Al Qaida and freed 50 million innocent people.
Do you even pay attention to what is happening in Afghanistan and Pakistan? Because Bush diverted troops away from pursueing those that attacked us, they are now stronger than ever. Think on this: Al Qaeda has a REAL chance of getting their hands on WMD's in Pakistan, and our trusted SERVANT, Mr Bush, diverted resources away from that threat to chase NON-EXISTANT WMD's. I can't believe that there are some on the right that just don't get that.
President Bush and the US soldiers are heros! 
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Our soldiers ARE heroes. Bush can't even come close to being in the same class as our soldiers.
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06-07-2008, 08:05 PM
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Freedom,
Do you really believe that just because President Bush says "mission accomplished"
The media tells the entire story by not reporting much from Iraq now, for which I predicted 5 years ago.
Afghanistan was a righteous war
What do you mean this was a righteous war?
The group that was responsible for attacking on 9/11 had NOTHING to do with Iraq. I can't believe you buy in to such crap.
The Al Qaida was in Iraq prior to 911. Maybe this link will bring you into the 21st century? Rise and fall of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com
Do you even pay attention to what is happening in Afghanistan and Pakistan?
Actually I do, that's how I know NATO is handling the operations there.
Obviously, this is something new for you.
Bush can't even come close to being in the same class as our soldiers.
I will have to disagree. Bush knew he would be smeared for doing the right thing and that takes placing your country before your ego. Clinton failed this test. I must respect Bush for hanging in there tough and getting the job done. Kudos to Bush!
You have all of the Liberal talking points memorized but it leads you to a dead end.
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06-08-2008, 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by wow
The wars are over and Americans won the wars.
If you supported the war in Afghanistan, you supported the war in Iraq.
Many Al Qaida terrorists went to Iraq for a safehaven.
If you still did not support the war in Iraq, then you never did support attacking those reponsible for the 911 attacks.
You could not have supported one without the other. Nevertheless, Americans defeated the Al Qaida and freed 50 million innocent people.
President Bush and the US soldiers are heros! 
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You're kidding, right?
Neither war is "mission accomplished", sorry.
OBL is still at large in Afstan, and the Taliban are still a severe threat to the Afstan people.
Iraq is hardly stable, and niether is their government. People still die on a daily basis, both inncoent Iraqi civilians and US/Allied troops. Also, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, why are you even bringing that up in relation to "Operation Human Shield in Iraq"? And we "freed" those "50 million" peopel to subject them to cosntant civil war, hunger, deprivations, and death. Hardly a noble cause.
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06-08-2008, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by wow
Freedom,
Do you really believe that just because President Bush says "mission accomplished"
The media tells the entire story by not reporting much from Iraq now, for which I predicted 5 years ago.
Yeah, it only took 4 !/2 years after "mission accomplished" to start to get good news. And yet, we still have troops there, they are still getting maimed/killed on a daily basis. Still sounds like war to me.
Afghanistan was a righteous war
What do you mean this was a righteous war?
It was a war of necessity, not a war of choice/opportunity.
The group that was responsible for attacking on 9/11 had NOTHING to do with Iraq. I can't believe you buy in to such crap.
The Al Qaida was in Iraq prior to 911. Maybe this link will bring you into the 21st century? Rise and fall of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com
One man? You base your whole arguement on one man? And perhaps you should read your own link. He wasn't there BEFORE 9/11. The Saddam/Al Qaeda link was a lie. Get it yet?
Do you even pay attention to what is happening in Afghanistan and Pakistan?
Actually I do, that's how I know NATO is handling the operations there.
Obviously, this is something new for you.
Al Qaeda didn't attack the UN. They attacked the US. Are you saying that the United States needs to depend on the UN to protect them? And as far as "handling the operations", Al Qaeda is STRONGER now than before 9/11. That's okay with you, right?
Bush can't even come close to being in the same class as our soldiers.
I will have to disagree. Bush knew he would be smeared for doing the right thing and that takes placing your country before your ego. Clinton failed this test. I must respect Bush for hanging in there tough and getting the job done. Kudos to Bush!
Name one thing Bush has done "for his country". He has "accomplished" nothing but screwing up 2 wars, and further dividing this country. That makes us REAL safe
You have all of the Liberal talking points memorized but it leads you to a dead end.
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I would have no problem giving Bush kudos if he had "accomplished" anything of substance. I would have no problem condemning the democrat party when I think they are screwing up. That's the difference between you and I. I don't have party blinders on.
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06-09-2008, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by freedomlover1
What report? The one that just came out that crosses the intelligence used with the speeches that Bush/Rumsfeld were giving. The intelligence used did not match what the speeches were saying. Bush "misstated" ALOT.
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The report given as this thread starter. Here, let me help:
"The report also said administration prewar statements on Iraq's weapons programs were backed up in most cases by available U.S. intelligence, but officials failed to reflect internal debate over those findings, which proved wrong."
"...BACKED UP IN MOST CASES BY AVAILABLE U.S INTELLIGENCE..."
Wasn't the first time an administration has used spin to advance an agenda and won't be the last.
"That's the difference between you and I. I don't have party blinders on."
I've already posted in here how I think the Iraq war was a mistake...in hindsight. But those like you that "don't have party blinders on." (lolol) are more interested in attacking the administration than looking into the intelligence failures that led to the bad info. Sad.
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