Permanent Iraq occupation???

wvpeach · #11 (**permalink**) 06-05-2008, 01:36 PM

Neither am I so we are just expendable number to them.

Heckler · #12 (**permalink**) 06-05-2008, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by George O Well

>>>Icy (as far as I can tell) is a winger who doesn't like Jews. I just don't like Jewish neocons.

Canuck knows what's goin' on. So go ahead and lump.

Usually I pretty much agree with you George, but Canuck seems to let his hate override reason....

I think the US has made a huge mistake in granting Israel Carte Blanche....compounded by hypocrisy in regards to the Palestinians.
(Hamas election victory)

We need to be evenhanded, but I don't see that happening soon....

Superstition still plays far to great a role.

freedomlover1 · #13 (**permalink**) 06-05-2008, 08:52 PM

Should have clicked on a couple more posts Skinny. If this is legit, it also tells you how Bush is going to do it.

US issues threat to Iraq's $50bn foreign reserves in military deal - Middle East, World - The Independent

George O Well · #14 (**permalink**) 06-06-2008, 11:22 AM

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but Canuck seems to let his hate override reason....

>>>He's a little frustrated by the Jews 'carte blanche' as you say. Can't say as I blame him.

Back Atcha · #15 (**permalink**) 06-06-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TakuanSoho

LOL, so you enjoy being lumped together with Canuck and Icy, do ya.

TS, a very important distinction needs to be made between legitimate criticism of Israel, it's policies, influence in our government, etc. and the unmitigated hatred for all Jews perpetuated by Lasher, Icy and Canuck.

This is not a fine line, it's a chasm of difference in ideology. "Lumping" people together by inferred perception is dangerous. There are bad elements in every government. To abolish all criticism because of a few over the top deluded malcontents is not wise.

TakuanSoho · #16 (**permalink**) 06-06-2008, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Back Atcha

TS, a very important distinction needs to be made between legitimate criticism of Israel, it's policies, influence in our government, etc. and the unmitigated hatred for all Jews perpetuated by Lasher, Icy and Canuck.

This is not a fine line, it's a chasm of difference in ideology. "Lumping" people together by inferred perception is dangerous. There are bad elements in every government. To abolish all criticism because of a few over the top deluded malcontents is not wise.

I agree, however George O Well has crossed that line far too many times.

There is a difference between saying that what Israel is doing in Palestine is wrong (valid debatable point) or I think that Jews have too much say in US politics (valid debatable point) and jews are evil and secretly control everything (entering looney land). Read enough of George's posts and you can see which side of the divide he really stands on.

wvpeach · #17 (**permalink**) 06-06-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Back Atcha

TS, a very important distinction needs to be made between legitimate criticism of Israel, it's policies, influence in our government, etc. and the unmitigated hatred for all Jews perpetuated by Lasher, Icy and Canuck.

This is not a fine line, it's a chasm of difference in ideology. "Lumping" people together by inferred perception is dangerous. There are bad elements in every government. To abolish all criticism because of a few over the top deluded malcontents is not wise.

Well said and let me point out that we have several welfare babies the US supports like Israel . None as lavishly as we do Israel. But Saudi Arabia is one of our big fat welfare babies the US feeds and we have a president who loves to hold hands with Saudi kings.

We do too much for Israel and back them even when they kill innocent people , but that is nothing new for the US government we do it all the time. And Bush , well, he is unique. If its bad and will kill innocent people you can bet Bush will back it. Rarely have we had a president this bad, none I can think of .

RASTAMAN · #18 (**permalink**) 06-07-2008, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by oceanbreeze

There has been a permanent operating military base in Kuwait.

Last time I checked, the Kuwait's don't mind the U.S. setting up bases in the desert and staying outside their cities. I know, I did 4 months there back in 2000, and I work with military members who go TDY to Kuwait today and the relationship btwn Kuwati's and Americans are tenuous at best. They are leery of Americans plain and simple. In other words unlike Iraq, in Kuwait our military does not have such an intrusive occupational western foot print.

Here's another important point. Back during Gulf War I after ousting Saddam, our military withdrew to the desert and set up Bases, and did not set up a major intrusive unwanted American military presence within the Kuwait cities. We simply handed back to the Kuwati's their Non-Democratic society and returned to the Kuwati's the same Chieftain Tribal Leadership they had before Saddam invaded.

Our military should have withdrawn out into the Iraq desert and set up Temporary military bases there once Saddam was taken out of power. Point, is, if you want peace and harmony in Iraq and greatly lesson military members getting killed and maimed, the next administration must simple move all U.S. military operations and service members to more safer and defensible desert base setup. This will allow for the Iraqi's in their major cities and Provence's to start ironing out their own differences and to set up their own form of Democracy and Govt.

Commissioner · #19 (**permalink**) 06-18-2008, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by patriot2342001

"There are instruments so dangerous to the rights of the nation and which place them so totally at the mercy of their governors that those governors, whether legislative or executive, should be restrained from keeping such instruments on foot but in well-defined cases. Such an instrument is a standing army." --Thomas Jefferson to David Humphreys, 1789. ME 7:323

"I do not like [in the new Federal Constitution] the omission of a Bill of Rights providing clearly and without the aid of sophisms for... protection against standing armies." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787. ME 6:387

"Nor is it conceived needful or safe that a standing army should be kept up in time of peace for [defense against invasion]." --Thomas Jefferson: 1st Annual Message, 1801. ME 3:334

"Standing armies [are] inconsistent with [a people's] freedom and subversive of their quiet." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply to Lord North's Proposition, 1775. Papers 1:231

"The spirit of this country is totally adverse to a large military force." --Thomas Jefferson to Chandler Price, 1807. ME 11:160

"A distinction between the civil and military [is one] which it would be for the good of the whole to obliterate as soon as possible." --Thomas Jefferson: Answers to de Meusnier Questions, 1786. ME 17:90

"It is nonsense to talk of regulars. They are not to be had among a people so easy and happy at home as ours. We might as well rely on calling down an army of angels from heaven." --Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1814. ME 14:207

"There shall be no standing army but in time of actual war." --Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776. Papers 1:363

"The Greeks and Romans had no standing armies, yet they defended themselves. The Greeks by their laws, and the Romans by the spirit of their people, took care to put into the hands of their rulers no such engine of oppression as a standing army. Their system was to make every man a soldier and oblige him to repair to the standard of his country whenever that was reared. This made them invincible; and the same remedy will make us so." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, 1814. ME 14:184

"Bonaparte... transferred the destinies of the republic from the civil to the military arm. Some will use this as a lesson against the practicability of republican government. I read it as a lesson against the danger of standing armies." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Adams, 1800. ME 10:154

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