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05-29-2008, 01:19 PM
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Here is the thing. I believe Bush made a case for war against Iraq. In fact, I believe Clinton had a case for war against Iraq but he just didn't move on it. He should have. He should have taken action on a lot of things but didn't and we ended up with 9/11/01.
The war on terror and the Battle of Iraq is justified and if you look at everything that the British, the French, the Russians, the Israelis, even the Chinese had on Saddam then you would have come away with the same conclusion. Take him out.
Bush like so many other world leaders at the time were manipulated by Saddam into thinking he had more than he had. That he was involved more than he was involved. Funny how Saddam and the UN get a pass on all of this not to mention the Russians and the French but the British and the Americans don't get a pass. I wonder why that is?
Yes we all know now that much of the intel at the time was faulty but it was the same intel that EVERYONE had and believed at the time.
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05-29-2008, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by reccles44
Here is the thing. I believe Bush made a case for war against Iraq. In fact, I believe Clinton had a case for war against Iraq but he just didn't move on it. He should have. He should have taken action on a lot of things but didn't and we ended up with 9/11/01.
The war on terror and the Battle of Iraq is justified and if you look at everything that the British, the French, the Russians, the Israelis, even the Chinese had on Saddam then you would have come away with the same conclusion. Take him out.
Bush like so many other world leaders at the time were manipulated by Saddam into thinking he had more than he had. That he was involved more than he was involved. Funny how Saddam and the UN get a pass on all of this not to mention the Russians and the French but the British and the Americans don't get a pass. I wonder why that is?
Yes we all know now that much of the intel at the time was faulty but it was the same intel that EVERYONE had and believed at the time.
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The issue of the intell being faulty is in doubt.
I was totally satisfied with Bush's reasoning and he has been proven to be right.
These reporters are scared to death of being murdered for criticizing anyone except the US and the UK.
The US needs to also place the fear of God in reporters. 
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05-29-2008, 01:36 PM
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He may have been right. If we really wanted to protect the rights of American citizens perhaps Bush should have gone into Texas before the government there stole over 400 children and disrupted the lives of those Mormon families over unfounded accusations.
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05-29-2008, 09:10 PM
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How is declassified information leaked?
This is like shooting fish in a barrel. 
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Read this again............The president was leaving an event in North Carolina, McClellan recalled, and as they walked to Air Force One a reporter yelled out a question: Had the president, who had repeatedly condemned the selective release of secret intelligence information, enabled Scooter Libby to leak classified information to The New York Times to bolster the administration's arguments for war?
McClellan took the question to the president, telling Bush: "He's saying you yourself were the one that authorized the leaking of this information."
"And he said, 'Yeah, I did.' And I was kind of taken aback," McClellan said.
It wasn't declassified......it was cherry picked from classified info. One of these days you pubs are gonna have to quit sticking up for the rat bastard who sent our troops to die for a pack of lies.
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05-29-2008, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by reccles44
Here is the thing. I believe Bush made a case for war against Iraq. In fact, I believe Clinton had a case for war against Iraq but he just didn't move on it. He should have. He should have taken action on a lot of things but didn't and we ended up with 9/11/01.
The war on terror and the Battle of Iraq is justified and if you look at everything that the British, the French, the Russians, the Israelis, even the Chinese had on Saddam then you would have come away with the same conclusion. Take him out.
Bush like so many other world leaders at the time were manipulated by Saddam into thinking he had more than he had. That he was involved more than he was involved. Funny how Saddam and the UN get a pass on all of this not to mention the Russians and the French but the British and the Americans don't get a pass. I wonder why that is?
Yes we all know now that much of the intel at the time was faulty but it was the same intel that EVERYONE had and believed at the time.
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Areyoushittin'me?
Reread what you wrote and think about it.
You claim that all of these countries had the same intelligence and should have come away with the same conclusions yet only two of the countries listed felt justified to go into Iraq.
And then you wonder why the only two countries who acted on this "clear" intelligence don't get a free pass.
Please tell me that you simply forgot the "/sarcasm" on the end.
Well, not all but I'm at least glad to see that you finally include yourself in a group with those of us who have been trying to make the case from the beginning regarding the Bushshit.
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05-30-2008, 09:24 PM
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What an amazing coincidence.
The Soros-McClellan Connection
Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:28:40 pm PST
The company that published Scott McClellan’s new Bush-bashing book is PublicAffairs Books, and their Editor at Large is a guy named Peter Osnos: About The Century Foundation.
The owner of PublicAffairs Books is a company called Perseus Book Group. Here’s their ownership tree: Perseus Books Home.
The firm is owned by Perseus Funds Group (holding company Perseus LLC), a capital management firm that grew from about $20 million in 1995 to over $2 billion now. Big infusions of cash seemed to help it grow exponentially, and it closed funds almost as fast as it opened them. The board has tons of liberals from the Clinton and Carter Administrations, with far-left credentials that almost put Osnos’ to shame. Their web site is here: PERSEUS - merchant bank and private equity fund management.
If you go to the New York Department of State web site and enter “Perseus” in the “Business Organization” search, you get this on page 2 of the results:
NYS Department of State
Division of Corporations
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PERSEUS, L.L.C.
PERSEUS-SOROS BIOPHARMACEUTICAL FUND, LP
PERSEUS-SOROS BIOPHARMACEUTICAL INVESTORS, LP
PERSEUS-SOROS MANAGEMENT, LLC
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05-30-2008, 09:27 PM
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05-30-2008, 09:33 PM
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05-30-2008, 09:33 PM
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Does anyone here have the frontal lobe capacity to remember that it was Richard Armitage that leaked Plames name to the media?
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05-30-2008, 09:36 PM
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Admit What?... you can't be so silly as to think he's not wanting to sell a book.. He defended the war daily when he was King, and Now he has a change of Heart?
This only Proves that Washington hides many coats of many colors that hold no truth for very long.
It comes with the Job, I guess..
Bill Clinton is hollering conspiracy and railroading of his Wife, by the Media and his own party..
Oh WAAAAAAAAA! shit, they are all the same..
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With Scott McClennan now joining the other insiders fingering Little Lord Fauntleroy's fascist regime for faking casus belli, just as his German Nazi counterpart did, why aren't decent family values Americans screaming for his impeachment?
Indeed, why does the US continue killing completely innocent people under these false pretences? There is no way known the average American is no longer aware its military is murdering them without just cause.
Worse still, with an overwhelming body of evidence that the destruction of Iraq is an indictable war crime - according to the "crimes against humanity" charges America itself retrospectively imposed on the Nazis at Nuremberg - why wont the self-appointed "font of all freedom" apply these laws to itself?
If Germany and Japan deserved utter destruction for doing precisely what America is doing - attacking any nation IT decides is "agin them," shouldn't the free world at least fire bomb America cities, if not nook these criminal neo-Nazis bastards?
In a country where getting you pajama python siphoned is an infinitesimally worse crime than killing and maiming millions of innocent human beings, shouldn't such a communally criminally insane country deserve extermination to safeguard the rest of the planet from their religious inspired greed?
Imagine a country where cumming in a chubby Jewesses gob is a worse crime than mass murder!! 
Here Bluedog, I'll save you the trouble of consulting your Concordance to justify American genocide,
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