That is Bush's assertion.

Don't want to embolden the terrorists ya know....

We're turning another corner now....

Stay the course!

We're still fighting against reason, judgement, truth, and justice.....

Damn! I keep forgetting, we're the good guys 'cuz we say so....

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got no hate on bush, you know all that assuming is gonna get you in trouble one day. It doesn't matter because it is inconsequential, winning in Iraq doesn't defeat terrorists which is a mindset really not a fucking army. Stop assuming and try conversing once in a while.

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You're right, winning in Iraq won't defeat all terrorists, but it'll be a damn huge victory that'll prevent them from having another base of operations. Why do you think that isn't worth it?

Huge victory for what? They still get left with a sectarian split when our troops leave. It could be in ten minutes or tens years but they will have to work this out themselves.

And, BTW Stryker(original post), there are those of us who are very well informed of what is going on over there. Us 'people on the left' (I am actually a moderate) do very much give sh*t about our troops and seeing them alive and well. Does it make you feel better when people post to talk to you about this, is that what you are looking for? What I just posted above is on the macro level and regardless of what happens with anyone's militia (micro level), they are going to have a severe sectarian problem in the future...count on it. I very well know our troops are working thier butts off to try and do the right thing (I was in the Army for 6 years, remember?) but that does not solve a problem that is superimposed on the big political picture...which has been there for hundreds of years.

And, there is no 'winning' or 'losing' in Iraq at this point for the US. They Iraqis have to do this themselves and whatever happens with their leadership and future is what happens.

Americans defeated the Al Qaida/Democrats when the Iraqi people learned that Americans were not the terrorists (As Democrats tried to convince them) and the Al Qaida were the ones killing their loved ones.

Democrats will never win this type of war because 90% of the humans on the planet want to live in peace.

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A handful of 19 men doesnt need a fucking country to commit there acts. This ase of operation shits is crock. The fact is regardless fo your partisan spin, that Saddam was a stalinist secualr dictator that never put up with radical muslims. This invasion has CREATED a operating ground for terroists.

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Everything you just said is total bullshit

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V8Ek...eature=related

And having "created" a stagging area for the terrorists is a "BAD THING"? You leftists are all over the map in trying to condemn this action that was about 15 years overdue. 1.) There is no wining the for the US, only the Iraqi people can win....A BAD THING? This is quite a change form the declaration that the US was only interested in "taking advantage" of these people, as they were not the ones that attacked us. The truth is, having the Iraqi people striving for their own government and freedom with less US involvement is a GOOD THING. Its true, there is no winning for the US, the US WON THE WAR in about 3 weeks as the stated objective of the "WAR" was meet.....Saddam was "dethroned". Thus, what we have currently is a "POLICE ACTION" trying to win the peace, and indeed a WIN can only be accomplished by the Iraqi people, as IT IS THEIR COUNTRY...it does not belong to the United States of America. 2.) Terrorists are "flocking" to this young democratic nation....yet the ignorant leftists present this as a BAD THING...but it is a GOOD THING, simply because ,there, they must engage the US and the US Military and they are dying in doing so.

This conflict brought them out of the shadows, and has allowed quite a few to be killed....no matter how many recruits they gain...the numbers are quickly depleting and they cannot draw upon this well forever. The fact that they are even there demonstrates the truth to JUST HOW IMPORTANT this nation of Iraq is in giving the US and democracy a foothold right in the epicenter of the theological doctrine of hate.....if it were not important in combating terrorism, would they really be so ready to go there and die? 3.) It's true terrorism is not a country nor a sanctioned nation as there is no Country of Al Qaedaia, but terrorism is sanctioned by several states and two of the most prolific are now surrounded by THE US MILITARY WITH BOOTS on the ground. And Iraq is right square in the middle of the region where this NON NATION ideology of terrorism gestated.....and what better place to have a stagging ground to combat such an ideology than right in the heart of the region were it GROWS?

You guys have went all around this political football looking for any hole you can to "stick" your lying ideology of misdirection and screw the pooh....all because you very well know that any Good News from this conflict is BAD NEWS for the Leftist party, that have continually fought to present the US and especially this administration as the villains....all for political gain. Its strange that when the effort produced by the surge has shown positive results....THE NEWS COVERAGE is particularly non-existent, THIS IS THE TRUE INDICATOR of just how well things are going. BD

Its not worth it because it doesn't improve anything and doesn't accomplish any goals meaningful to the American people.

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Iraq has become a highly segregated nation consisting of three heavily armed camps. This is one of the reasons why the sectarian violence has dropped recently. We more or less gave up on Malaki's government when we armed the Sunni tribes in Al Anbar (remember the guys that were planting all of the road side bombs) so that they could insure their own security and safety. Petraeus really had no other choice on this matter, but to do exactly that.

I hate to say it, Cat, but you are spot on. I don't see a peaceful transition when we begin to pull out. Like you said, the Iraqis will have to sort this out for themselves without the help to 150K American troops.

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