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05-19-2008, 03:23 PM
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It's fine to argue against President Bush as does 70% of the populace (depending on most recent polls) but do not make yourself look ignorant by saying he has a right/power and then denounce that right/power in the same text.
hate the war, hate Bush, hate all military I do not care........... But be appreciative to the fact that without having help spread freedom through the world you would not have the right to speak a damn thing without being under the thumb of a government or dictator that might order your execution for disliking the status quo.
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Nice blurtation of jumbled talk - but doesn't answer anything I said. Which is why you phony patriots are cowards, because you don't have the balls to stand up to the real crooks. You are obviously desperate to find some flaw that works in your intelligence-free mind but what you said above is just a load of strongly-felt incoherence. The rest avoid the real truth like the plague. Some brave Americans.
Get back to me when you can answer the points and the truth in them. Bush hate and freedom throughout the world are just the brainwashed slogans of the mentally limited.
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05-19-2008, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by smart makes a comeback
The Military is the biggest welfare giveaway program, and corporate subsidy and price support in the federal budget .
It is also the most fraud ridden, bloated and wasteful of all Government entities
It is used as a haven for those who need to hide from the real world due to they being inept, and a means to house, and feed their equally inept milingering dependents
The Military has not "defended this country" in 60 years
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In many ways I agree with you. Fraud ridden, bloated and wasteful; wars that don't directly threaten the homeland and/or based on ginned intel (I'm betting the general level of ineptness is roughly equal to the ineptness in other professions)
But, "popular" or delared war or not, the guys who put their lives out there day in and day out (and get fvvked by the shorsightedness and incompetence of this admin), these combat vets deserve our help at least medically and educationally. Besides, the ROI for the nation from us helping a vet get a degree is huge.
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05-19-2008, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Jetblast
Ah, you might need to check some facts. The stated reason given to the American public and to Congress by President Bush was to remove the threat of clear and present weapons of mass destruction possessed by Saddam Hussein. You might feel comfortable accepting this changed version, especially if you are a compliant jellyfish who likes taking orders from corrupt authorities. However, if you follow our Constitution you'll find that it isn't too easy to accept a corrupt government that operates by a different standard than what it holds the public to. That's tyranny if you didn't notice. If I did what Bush did I would be put in jail for a long time. Since the Constitution requires the government to follow the same law as the people what you are doing there is justifying the violation of the Constitution - the very thing our country is based on and even kills people overseas in the name of. It's amazing how incredibly stupid Americans are and how they don'y have any clue what their own country is about. So it is actually you who is the threat here.
The soldier has firm grounds and the Constitution Bush is in contempt of is on his side. The rest of you are cowards. It takes a brave man to stand up to a corrupt government.
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Do you realize that you never really say anything at all?
That you simply spout propaganda all day long?
That you are so blinded by hatred you render yourself irrelevant?
The "Soldier" has no grounds at all, none. No matter how you spin and dance and call everyone names, nothing will change that.
Your Affirmative Action Education betrays you.
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05-19-2008, 04:09 PM
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US soldier refuses to serve in ‘illegal Iraq war’
Why is that such a big deal?
How many of you have had a co-worker complain about the company that you work for and suggested, "Well, you can always quit."?
Why can't he?
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Which side will you be on?
OBAMA/PEROT
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05-19-2008, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by areyoushittin'me?
US soldier refuses to serve in ‘illegal Iraq war’
Why is that such a big deal?
How many of you have had a co-worker complain about the company that you work for and suggested, "Well, you can always quit."?
Why can't he?
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Nope. He signed a work contract, not an employment contract. Violation of a contract has recourse. |
05-19-2008, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TakuanSoho
Nope. He signed a work contract, not an employment contract. Violation of a contract has recourse.
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Yeah, like loss of benefits...why do they have to threaten people in order to keep them?
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OBAMA/PEROT
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05-19-2008, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Amazed
Do you realize that you never really say anything at all?
That you simply spout propaganda all day long?
That you are so blinded by hatred you render yourself irrelevant?
The "Soldier" has no grounds at all, none. No matter how you spin and dance and call everyone names, nothing will change that.
Your Affirmative Action Education betrays you.
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This idiot is the Queen of Projection around here, IMHO. |
05-19-2008, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Noibn
...But, "popular" or delared war or not, the guys who put their lives out there day in and day out (and get fvvked by the shorsightedness and incompetence of this admin), these combat vets deserve our help at least medically and educationally. Besides, the ROI for the nation from us helping a vet get a degree is huge.
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How do we separate those guys, from the Air Force, Navy and ones that went to preach Christianity?
BTW:
The military has never been paid better.
Current GI Bill program exceeds the benefits during Vietnam.
Current GIs have been coddled, babied and not sacrificied much.
What we need is a fking draft, so we can spread the sacrifice around a bit and let the Republicans share in the dying. |
05-19-2008, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by areyoushittin'me?
Yeah, like loss of benefits...why do they have to threaten people in order to keep them?
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Because of the nature of the military. It is one of those jobs that people LOVE during peacetime, but don't want to be in during war. But at the same time, the only value the military has is during the war, so if no one was willing to fight it, then we wouldn't need it during peacetime.
This is why you shouldn't join the military unless you are willing to fight for your country. |
05-19-2008, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by areyoushittin'me?
US soldier refuses to serve in ‘illegal Iraq war’
Why is that such a big deal?
How many of you have had a co-worker complain about the company that you work for and suggested, "Well, you can always quit."?
Why can't he?
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Why can't he? Because the military ISN'T some temporary welfare program for people who can't find jobs. They put time, money, and work into training a soldier, and the soldier (who signs a contract) is expected to hold up his/her end. That means the possibility of being sent to just about anywhere, and ordered to do just about anything.
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