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Old 06-05-2008, 12:54 PM
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Bottom line, we all cherry pick information. For example you are doing it here.

The point is: did the intelligence substantiate the claims. If yes, then no lie, if no, then there was a lie.
What am I cherry picking?

You're the one who chose half a sentence and claimed that to be the important part...I'm saying we should look at all of it.

An omission that contradicts our selling points is considered a lie by some.

Bush was very careful to word things so that technically he could claim not to have lied while others in his administration such as Condi outright lied in the way they worded things.
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Old 06-05-2008, 12:57 PM
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I think you should read more about who Armitage is before you try to create a conspiracy.
What kind of non answer to my question is that?
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Old 06-05-2008, 05:24 PM
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Nothing like a little perspective...a grunt soldier doesn't want to go pound sand and should go to prision...on the other hand...six nuclear-tipped cruise missiles are flown across the country and four electrical fuses for ballistic missile warheads were mistakenly sent to Taiwan in the place of helicopter batteries...so what, you're fired.

Gates ousts Air Force leaders in historic shake-up - Yahoo! News

WASHINGTON - Defense Secretary Robert Gates ousted the Air Force's top military and civilian leaders Thursday, holding them to account in a historic Pentagon shake-up after nuclear missile warhead fuses were mistakenly shipped to Taiwan.

Gates announced at a news conference that he had accepted the resignations of Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Michael Moseley and Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne — a highly unusual double firing.

Gates cited two embarrassing incidents in the past year. In one, a B-52 bomber was mistakenly armed with six nuclear-tipped cruise missiles and flown across the country without anyone realizing nuclear weapons were aboard.

In the other, four electrical fuses for ballistic missile warheads were mistakenly sent to Taiwan in the place of helicopter batteries. Gates said an internal investigation found a common theme in the B-52 and Taiwan incidents: "a decline in the Air Force's nuclear mission focus and performance."

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Old 06-06-2008, 02:28 AM
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Face it Soho likes to act like a intellectual but truth be told he is a stubborn neo con like the president who cannot admit his own mistakes.
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Old 06-06-2008, 02:09 PM
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I have noticed a few shortcomings in some, not all, of his arguments but to his credit, he's generally been courteous in the delivery...that is appreciated.
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Old 06-06-2008, 02:19 PM
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Not so courteous when you show him up for the brainwashed Bush bot he really is.

Trust me are you shittin me. Soho can get down and ugly in a heart beat.
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Old 06-06-2008, 02:41 PM
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Ok, perhaps so...I've just never had a problem with him that I recall...granted, around here we get way too much ugliness, imo...however, I do tend to step off into the gutter as well with those that direct the conversation in that direction...either the present one in which I am engaged with them in or if that has been their tendancy in the past.

Note also...I see a big big difference between, "that's fucked up" and "you're fucked up".
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Old 06-06-2008, 02:43 PM
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In fact they outed Valerie Blame to try to shut her husband Joe Wilson up because he was making a major push in the press for the fact Iraq was no danger to the US and he was not the only one saying that same thing by far.

Geeezus....what's wrong with you people? You do know that Armitage dropped her name don't you? Not Rove, not Libby, not Cheney, not Bush. Richard Armitage.
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Old 06-06-2008, 03:07 PM
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That is silly, Everybody in washington has now admitted Bush , chaney and Rove were behind trying to dis credit blames husband and they didn't care if they got other agents killed to do it.
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Old 06-06-2008, 03:17 PM
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That is silly, Everybody in washington has now admitted Bush , chaney and Rove were behind trying to dis credit blames husband and they didn't care if they got other agents killed to do it.
Yes, that is why it has completely died as a political issue.
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