How many of these threads gohave onge on and on. Fist off Both Rice and Powell said they were not a threat just months before 9/11. There is no way even with these weapons to establish any threat. The Un would not condone war. You can play smeantics with these useless resolutions but theres just no way the wold is ever going to side with the Americans especially when war is involved.
The Americans will ingore the UN whever it suits them so whats really the point in argue it anyway? No war can be justified. No war makes sence. This war is eve more senceless and unessecary for one reason beyond all others. One of the Majjor (THE Magor if you ask a dopey American) modern western allied powers screaming to a internationla body it holds high contempt for that a tiny country that alread got its ass kicked once is a big threat. Its beynd absurd. Ac ountry that cant build its own cars isnt not going to pull an ICBM out of its ass. That is the only weapon that can hurt the Americans. As far as military matters go one Nuke isnt even that much of a Military threat as the countrys military could still sustain itslef in a effective way. Either way Abdual and his 122mm Howitzer battery means abolsutly fuck all to the US Military in The Middle East and elsewhere.

You cna find a mountain of Bullets but if there is no gun they arent worth jack. Finding any of this NBC stuff would but no means conclude a threat to any nation anywhere. Other conflicts are so beyond the scope of this piddly waste of time that no real similiarity can be found.

The weapons Hussien had that could fire Chemical weapons were

1. Surface to Surface missiles. Nobody found one. They were gone. Either destroyed in the war or dismantled by Inspectors.

2. Artilery. None around. The first priority during the 91 grouind advance was to amke the Artilery go away. US Army and Air force did that effiecently and fast. MLRS is money well spent folks..it worked.

3. Aerial Bombs..Ever seen a Iraqi Airplane in flight??? Niether did we. The last one I can think of flying in "combat" is the motherfuucker that shot at the "Stark"

The weapons claimed to be there by the US goverment was battlfield weaponry. Where was the Battleflefiled? An handful of crossroas manned by some rear guard jag offs with a ouple of mortars and macvine guns? The 10 Antigue T-55 that were nothing more then manned target drones for the US Cavalry? Baghdad Bob?

The cicle jerk that was the INvasion n 2003 should be suffincet enough to indicate that the whole thing was complete bullshit. resistance was sporadic un organzied and rarely any mroe then half hearted. yeah they were just like the Germans in France....what the fuck ever.

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This is all pissing in thw winf. Blowhgards typing shit and sayting nothing.

There is no threat. The UN is a credible organsation in any way shape or form period. Its resolutions arent worht the paper printed on. And theres more to military operations then having a canister of mustard gas.

Your arguing blindly and missing a basic unrefutable fact that would end this Drowning blow hard bunch of shit. Facts here are in the Mechincal and Military technicalites of the situation. Poltics and yammering of politicans and their contrived laws are always bullshit.

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Just goes to show you truely are the delusional one, lol.

I see from here and on the first thread I viewed this morning...NOYB is still guzzling and I'm adding him to my list of generally pathetic posters around here...I've a busy day but I will get back to you a bit later on and respond to your other post...enjoy your day.

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Hi Cord,

I think our little side discussion has gone off on some interesting, but somewhat irrelevant, historical tangents....at least, to the points I've been trying to make. So, let me try to summarize my stance on the Iraq issue:
- As I said before, I am no dove. I do believe that sometimes military force is necessary and the best means to achieving certain goals....and that includes persuasive/police action strikes, show of force, and more drastic measures such as occupation/regime change. Obviously, whether or not the use of military force is prudent (and the level of which) very much depends on the siutation....are there viable alternatives, etc. And this is not always very easy to determine. In fact, it's usually very difficult; every action has a set of reactions, etc.
- However, except in cases of self-defense, I am not a big fan of unilateral or near unilateral action. That was what I meant when I spoke of democracy in my previous post...."Democracy of Nations."
- I very much disagree with your Germany (1936) & Iraq (2003), Churchill/Baldwin comparison. I wouldn't even mention those two in the same breath to be honest. And, consequently, what may have been the proper course of action (COA) in the former has absolutely no bearing as to the potential COAs for the latter.
- China (1952): Now, like Germany (1936), China (1952) was a very different situation from Iraq (2003)....UN resolutions, etc. The point I was making was that Truman was faced with a plethora of potential actions ranging from very aggressive to passive. There were plenty of those who favored the aggressive. China was clearly a threat.....not so much to the US homeland, but the region.....and they were only going to get worse. And they had killed many allied servicemen....far more than Iraq has. Truman made his choice and opted to stay in the box. Was it the proper choice? I think most people today believe that it was.
- Nuclear proliferation: This is a tough one, Cord.....there are many policy types that wrestle with this question as a full-time job. Do you invade/occupy nations that are or are suspected of developing nuclear weapons? Are there other alternatives? I do agree with you that it does drastically change the geo-political landscape.....and makes the option of "regime change" very unappealing....especially if nearby centers of gravity can be held hostage. I don't have an answer, Cord. However, I also find the idea of invading/occupying/striking places like North Korea, Iran, and Pakistan (don't forget about them) very unappealing as well.
- Had Iraq been a nuclear state in 1991, I would've still opted to forcefully (if necessary) removed them from Kuwait. Maybe I would have been more willing to give negotiation, sanctions, blockades, and other passive means more attention at first, but, in the end, the Iraqis would have to leave Kuwait....if not, think of the precedence that would set. Anyway, this must be the Churchill in me, huh???

In conclusion, the US-led invasion of Iraq was a very, very bad idea for all the reasons we've seen....it was unnecessary and not very multilateral....especially among the Arab nations. I don't have much more to say on this than that. Could I be wrong? Sure....my crystal ball has been on the cafritz....

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Seriously? I've run into a few of the more radical that believe Iraq is justified as a strategic place to be for further aggression against Iran and Syria etc...in fact, I was presented with such an argument recently...I'm not recalling by whom...I'm thinking it was BlueDog but don't quote me on that...when I run across an example I will let you know.

Not so much control over Saudi Arabia but control over the region as may be related to the previous statement...that and to curry favor from his Saudi buddies...favor more likely on a personal level like when they bailed out his son, Dubya, some years ago.

I do try and look at all sides...thus my ability to remain "fair and balanced", lol.

No, we've not put them to rest because as yet you've not come to see the light. Yes, meet and consider is exactly what they were about. No, they were not required to specifically do anything and they didn't specifically determine that military force was the next action...in fact, considering the number of countries that were opposed to such action one should conclude force was not called for...we acted without authorization from the UN.

I agree...but they still had to abide by their own restrictions which tended to make for a rather circuitous process...much like trying to make a point with you, lol.

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Clean the sand out of your clit??? Whoo, I know a couple of big women that would probably shoe you in the nuts for that one. Anyway, I pretty much agree with your point. I've talked to many who have served over in Iraq; they are not doing hand stands over the situation, but they do go because it is their job and responsibility.

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