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Old 05-25-2008, 11:28 AM
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Iraq on the Record

Iraq on the Record is a searchable collection of 237 specific misleading statements made by Bush Administration officials about the threat posed by Iraq. It contains statements that were misleading based on what was known to the Administration at the time the statements were made. It does not include statements that appear mistaken only in hindsight. If a statement was an accurate reflection of U.S. intelligence at the time it was made, it was excluded even if it now appears erroneous.

Iraq on the Record is searchable by the the five Administration officials most responsible for providing public information and shaping public opinion on Iraq:

President George W. Bush
Vice President Dick Cheney
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
Then-Secretary of State Colin Powell
Then-National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice

It is also searchable by issue area:

Iraq's Nuclear Capabilities
Chemical and Biological Weapons
Iraq and Al-Qaeda
Iraq as an Urgent Threat

It is also searchable by keyword, such as "mushroom cloud", "uranium", or "bin Laden."
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Old 05-25-2008, 04:13 PM
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If Iraq was invaded for legal UN reasons then Saddam should have been afforded Geneva Convention protections because a valid war requires valid Geneva Conventions status. As with the WMD's evidence US picked and chose which stati it chose to honor and which it didn't. Saddam wasn't a good head of state, but technically his public hanging accompanied by jeering was a violation of Geneva Conventions display of prisoners of war. Not to mention the circumstances that lead to his death were by means of a war crime committed by the US. So if you are going to piously quote UN rules please quote all of them - including the ones that apply to us.
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Old 05-25-2008, 04:52 PM
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Iraq on the Record

Iraq on the Record is a searchable collection of 237 specific misleading statements made by Bush Administration officials about the threat posed by Iraq. It contains statements that were misleading based on what was known to the Administration at the time the statements were made. It does not include statements that appear mistaken only in hindsight. If a statement was an accurate reflection of U.S. intelligence at the time it was made, it was excluded even if it now appears erroneous.

Iraq on the Record is searchable by the the five Administration officials most responsible for providing public information and shaping public opinion on Iraq:

President George W. Bush
Vice President Dick Cheney
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
Then-Secretary of State Colin Powell
Then-National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice

It is also searchable by issue area:

Iraq's Nuclear Capabilities
Chemical and Biological Weapons
Iraq and Al-Qaeda
Iraq as an Urgent Threat

It is also searchable by keyword, such as "mushroom cloud", "uranium", or "bin Laden."
LMAO...is Waxman all you've got?? You want to be taken seriously?
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Old 05-25-2008, 05:03 PM
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Yes Cowardly, "As Prepared By Henry Waxman". Who is a complete and utter moron.

That's like jet trying to make the claim the because he believes every the NYT prints it's a "reliable" source.
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Old 05-25-2008, 09:50 PM
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Public Statement of National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice:
"We do know that there have been shipments going . . . into Iraq . . . of aluminum tubes that really are only suited to -- high-quality aluminum tools [sic] that are only really suited for nuclear weapons programs, centrifuge programs."
Source: Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer, CNN (9/8/2002).


Why This Statement is Misleading:
This statement was false. The government’s most experienced technical experts at the U.S. Department of Energy concluded that the tubes were "poorly suited" for this purpose, and intelligence officials at the State Department concurred in this view.
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Which is why I think they would have worked with us had we kept up the pressure...a sovereign nation...you mean like Iraq?
Do you have any concept of the political pressures operating on Musharraf? On one side, he had the moderates, who want to restore civilian government, and on the other he's got the hardline Islamists who want to make Pakistan into an Iranian-style theocracy, and on top of all of that, you've got varying traditional tribal loyalties. Oh, and don't forget that the entire country is on the brink of war with India over Kashmir. If you had gone into Pakistan, it would have been another Iraq... with nuclear weapons. And an intact defense infrastructure.

Oh yeah... and don't forget - Pakistan didn't have outstanding Chapter VII Security Council Resolutions hanging over it the same way that Iraq did.

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Yes they would...that's one reason we have some rather seedy "friends"...funny, we got some of our early "intel" regarding bin Laden from members of hezbollah.

Btw, I also support targeted assassination.
What early "intel" was that? The info that led you to bomb that pharmaceutical factory in Khartoum?

What the hell did Hezbollah have to do with Bin Laden anyway? You do know that they're Shia, right?

Targeted assassination has a way of coming back to haunt you. It's not worth the price you end up paying.
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Old 05-26-2008, 11:10 PM
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Much like Kerry with 3 Purple Hearts and using a loop-hole to get stateside.

Dad had three, and served 2 Vietnam tours. His loophole? Retiring after 22 years!
I've got no problem with Kerry's service record - he did his time (admittedly, not as much as your father). He could have easily gotten out of serving at all. Even when he was in country, with his qualifications, he could easily became a desk jockey, but he asked for combat and served honorably. You've got to respect that.
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Old 05-26-2008, 11:12 PM
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...find page page 21-23 of Ricks' book, I am not going to type it all here. This is only a start though. There is much more.
Couldn't you give me a synopsis? I don't have the book. I'm just interested where the credible internal threat to Saddam was coming from within Iraq.
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Old 05-27-2008, 01:09 AM
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Do you have any concept of the political pressures operating on Musharraf? On one side, he had the moderates, who want to restore civilian government, and on the other he's got the hardline Islamists who want to make Pakistan into an Iranian-style theocracy, and on top of all of that, you've got varying traditional tribal loyalties. Oh, and don't forget that the entire country is on the brink of war with India over Kashmir. If you had gone into Pakistan, it would have been another Iraq... with nuclear weapons. And an intact defense infrastructure.
I understand Pakistan is a political nightmare in some ways...I figure Musharraf would ultimately side with us and he is the one in control of the nuke crap...at least was and probably still is at present...personally, having them is an "ally" hardly impresses me...for instance A. Q. Khan, what's up with that? Somehow I can better justify an "Iraq" when going after those that attacked us then the "Iraq" in Iraq.

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Oh yeah... and don't forget - Pakistan didn't have outstanding Chapter VII Security Council Resolutions hanging over it the same way that Iraq did.
No resolutions and no red tape either.

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What early "intel" was that? The info that led you to bomb that pharmaceutical factory in Khartoum?
LOL...I'm talking about since 9/11.

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What the hell did Hezbollah have to do with Bin Laden anyway? You do know that they're Shia, right?
It was Syrian related...you read about so many things...I went in search and haven't found exactly what I had read about, but I did find an interesting article that might help you with connecting some of the dots related to this...I'll dig around further when I get more time...I'm thinking it was related to some of the stuff Bob Baer talked about but it's not coming to me presently.

Israel: Syria Allowed Hundres al Qaeda To Settle In Lebanon

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Intelligence services have also managed to find detailed information about contacts between one of the leading Hezbollah military figures, Imad Mourghniyeh, and a Qaida operative in Sudan. There is no evidence yet of that relationship developing into continuing ties, but there is no doubt the meeting could not have taken place without Syrian intelligence knowing of it.
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Targeted assassination has a way of coming back to haunt you. It's not worth the price you end up paying.
I'd be willing to bet there's been plenty of crap we've pulled that we somehow never got blamed for...
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