US soldier refuses to serve in â€˜illegal Iraq warâ€™

areyoushittin'me? · #**421** (**permalink**) 05-23-2008, 12:13 AM

YouTube - Gulf War 1: Incubator Babies Propaganda Leads America To War

nefarious_plot · #**422** (**permalink**) 05-23-2008, 12:18 AM

They Didnt come down there to Kuwait handning them Flowers. They really dont need the American publics support to do this kind of shit. Its only a plus. We would have gone in no matter what. Due to teh fact that frankly, I just have more convinction and compassion then most of these people I will say iregardless of obvious alterior motives of the Admistration. Freeing Kuwait was the right thing to do. The events it set off were not as postive unfortunately. Agressive warfare even by the Americans is illegal. America would have alot more crediblty in the world if practiced what it preached.

areyoushittin'me? · #**423** (**permalink**) 05-23-2008, 12:30 AM

Propaganda, eh?

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The United States and the United Nations gave several public justifications for involvement in the conflict. The most prominent reason was the Iraqi violation of Kuwaiti territorial integrity. In addition, the United States moved to support its ally of Saudi Arabia, whose importance in the region and as a key supplier of oil made it of considerable geopolitical importance. During a speech given on September 11, 1990, U.S. President George H.W. Bush summed up the reasons with the following remarks: "Within three days, 120,000 Iraqi troops with 850 tanks had poured into Kuwait and moved south to threaten Saudi Arabia. It was then that I decided to act to check that aggression."[19] The Pentagon claimed that satellite photos showing a buildup of Iraqi forces along the border were the source of this information, but this was later shown to be false when a reporter for the St. Petersburg Times acquired commercial satellite images made at the time in question, which showed nothing but empty desert. [3]

Polls showed that upwards of 80% of the American public supported the troop deployment.[20] The anti-war movement and its “No Blood For Oil” slogan did not achieve the levels of support it would get 12 years later.

Other justifications for foreign involvement included Iraq’s history of human rights abuses under Saddam Hussein. Iraq was also known to possess biological weapons and chemical weapons, which Hussein had used against Iranian troops during the Iran-Iraq War and against his own county's Kurdish population in the Al-Anfal Campaign. Iraq was known to have a nuclear weapons program as well.

Although there were human rights abuses committed in Kuwait by the invading Iraqi military, the ones best known in the U.S. were an invention of the public relations firm hired by the government of Kuwait to influence U.S. opinion in favor of military intervention. Shortly after Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait, the organization Citizens for a Free Kuwait was formed in the U.S. It hired the public relations firm Hill & Knowlton for about $11 million, paid by the Kuwaiti government.[21] Among many other means of influencing U.S. opinion (distributing books on Iraqi atrocities to U.S. soldiers deployed in the region, 'Free Kuwait' T-shirts and speakers to college campuses, and dozens of video news releases to television stations), the firm arranged for an appearance before a group of members of Congress in which a woman identifying herself as a nurse working in the Kuwait City hospital described Iraqi soldiers pulling babies out of incubators and letting them die on the floor. The story was an influence in tipping both the public and Congress towards a war with Iraq: six Congressmen said the testimony was enough for them to support military action against Iraq and seven Senators referenced the testimony in debate. The Senate supported the military actions in a 52-47 vote. A year after the war, however, this allegation was revealed to be a fabrication. The woman who had testified was found to be a member of the Kuwaiti Royal Family, in fact the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the U.S. [4] She had not been living in Kuwait during the Iraqi invasion. The details of the Hill & Knowlton public relations campaign, including the incubator testimony, were published in a John R. MacArthur's Second Front: Censorship and Propaganda in the Gulf War (Berkeley, CA: University of CA Press, 1992), and came to wide public attention when an op-ed by MacArthur was published in the New York Times. This prompted a re-examination by Amnesty International, which had originally promoted an account alleging even greater numbers of babies torn from incubators than the original fake testimony; after finding no evidence to support it, the organization issued a retraction.

nefarious_plot · #**424** (**permalink**) 05-23-2008, 12:36 AM

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The United States and the United Nations gave several public justifications for involvement in the conflict. The most prominent reason was the Iraqi violation of Kuwaiti territorial integrity.

This regardless of the rest is a good reason as opposed to 2003..where there was no reason.

areyoushittin'me? · #**425** (**permalink**) 05-23-2008, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by nefarious_plot

This regardless of the rest is a good reason as opposed to 2003..where there was no reason.

Neither should have ever happened.

nefarious_plot · #**426** (**permalink**) 05-23-2008, 12:46 AM

Leaving the Kuwaitis to their fait was no option. It was violation of internationla law and should have been delt with.

Tileman · #**427** (**permalink**) 05-23-2008, 12:48 AM

areyouassfukinme?, loves to see a new page turn so he can avoid the previous posts that completely destroys his argument.....

He is great at replying only to certain posts, picking and choosing carefully and ignoring the most key points to other posts. Once a NEW PAGE has begun he starts his rhetoric again.

Fact remains he has 100% FAILED to show anything that proves the UN disallowed military action!

The BEST proof he can show is a resolution that says *No immediate military action*.......... Aside from that his entire argument is wothless AND------------------------------------------------------------------- he still refuses to get back on topic that this soldier needs to be in the STOCKADE!

if he wants to DEBATE the legality of the invasion of Iraq there are plenty of old threads he needs to bring back that were designed for that topic.

areyoushittin'me? · #**428** (**permalink**) 05-23-2008, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by nefarious_plot

Leaving the Kuwaitis to their fait was no option. It was violation of internationla law and should have been delt with.

True...it should have been dealt with before Saddam sent his troops in.

areyoushittin'me? · #**429** (**permalink**) 05-23-2008, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Tileman

areyouassfukinme?, loves to see a new page turn so he can avoid the previous posts that completely destroys his argument.....

He is great at replying only to certain posts, picking and choosing carefully and ignoring the most key points to other posts. Once a NEW PAGE has begun he starts his rhetoric again.

Fact remains he has 100% FAILED to show anything that proves the UN disallowed military action!

The BEST proof he can show is a resolution that says *No immediate military action*.......... Aside from that his entire argument is wothless AND------------------------------------------------------------------- he still refuses to get back on topic that this soldier needs to be in the STOCKADE!

if he wants to DEBATE the legality of the invasion of Iraq there are plenty of old threads he needs to bring back that were designed for that topic.

Nope, you're too full of shit to be assfucked punk.

Continue with your bogus claims...you impress nobody but yourself...even the usual suspects appear to have deserted you many pages back.

I've already addressed the things pertaining to this thread as well as the other things you've claimed I haven't and we've all come to understand that you don't have the balls to back up your claims so I won't bother to ask you to do so.

You've proven to be such a worthless punk that I am going to add you to my ignore list you lying piece of shit.

areyoushittin'me? · #**430** (**permalink**) 05-23-2008, 01:03 AM

This message is hidden because Tileman is on your ignore list.