*L* I would have figured that you Yanks would have been used to that by now...

What's this "we" shit...you ran from the debate and left it to others...you've tried to declare victory a time or two but have failed...it does appear we are making progress and you are finally seeing the error in your claim that...


Nowhere have I claimed that NO military action was called for, simply that it was not in 14 resolutions and it was for limited action...a point Bush Sr. agrees with me on even if you are to childish to admit it...you screwed the pooch.

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I realize that, although Clinton was not in office that whole time...no matter...I never cared for that lying asshole anyway.



Nobody thought Iraq would be stupid enough to invade Kuwait?

Then explain this...

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie - Obviously, I didn't think, and nobody else did, that the Iraqis were going to take all of Kuwait.

Just how much of Kuwait would we have been ok with him taking?

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I stated my arguments regarding the Iraq War in another post to someone else. You can look that up. It seems to me that this country spends more in humanitarian aid in more countries to help more people than any other country in the world COMBINED! That is fact, not fiction. This country has freed more people through war, blood, money and sacrifice than any other combined country(s). Seems to me that the country you insist on putting down the most you also expect the most out of. Personally, I think there are other countries around the world who can afford to give just as much if not more than us to not only Africa but other "3rd world" but I don't see the resignation in your voice on those issues. The point of the above article was that Bono - whom I don't think anyone would confuse as a Conservative or a Republican is smart enough to be able look beyond whatever philosophical differences he may have with Bush, find a common ground and give credit to the man where it's due. Your so naive to think that all that has to be done is to write a $4 billion dollar check and the African problem will be solved?Your on crack if you think that's all it takes. Look at what Bob Geldof has spent the last 23 years trying to achieve in Africa (& I was at Live-Aid in Philadelphia back in '85). Look at what George Clooney has been trying to do with Darfur and getting nowhere with the UN lobbyists he once spoke so highly of. Look at what Bono has spent his time doing in terms of eliminating the debts of these poor countries and trying to salvage some sort of life for the helpless. All of these celebrities and icons of music and screen (though I'd hardly call Clooney an 'icon') raising countless billions for the betterment of Africa and your going to tell me that $4 billion by Bush is going to stop all of the corruption, mass murder and disease. Stopping the war and getting out of Iraq will eliminate everything. Let me ask you something: Are you really that stupid?

That's it...In other words...still not calling for military action...just "in order to consider the situation"...more UN bullshit.

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areyoushittin'me?

You say you addressed the Iraq war elsewhere...fine...you know where...how about you provide a link...much easier for you knowing which post or posts than for me to go through all of your posts looking for the relevant one(s)...doncha think?

Of course...we are generous but to be honest with you we are low on the totem pole as far as what percentage of GDP we spend on aid compared to some other countries...we can go there if you wish...my point was that the "humanitarian" argument as regards Iraq is a bit lame when put into perspective compared to other programs.

As to the $4 Billion figure that you seem to wish to jump my shit about and its relative effect...that was a quote from the Bono article YOU provided NOT a claim of mine...are YOU on crack?

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I don't think Bush, Sr. would have been okay with Saddam taking any of Kuwait - you have to take the matter in context - Kuwait and Iraq were involved in a border dispute at the time and negotations were stalled. The Kuwaits thought they could leverage Iraq to back down on the dispute because of Iraq's post Iran-Iraq war economic woes. Iraq responded to this leverage by massing troops in the south.

As far as the US was concerned, this was a simple dispute about the accurate placement of the Iraq-Kuwaiti border and was in the process of being negotiated. I don't know offhand how much territory was in dispute, but I imagine there was a perceived possibility that Iraq may launch a posturing incursion into the disputed area, but certainly nothing on the scale which actually happened.

It was not a 'slam dunk' that is for sure---there in lies the real problem.

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---Now, since we have proved that your stance of NO RESOLUTION that stipulates a military action has to be taken AND NO RESOLUTION that stipulates military action is approved we have to review all previous resolutions in their entirety...






-I did leave after attempting to get this thread back on track. You are correct on that part. Declaring victory is subject to *a goal set and achieved*. On that part you are wrong since I set no goal that I'd succeed in changing an appeasers thought process into logic terminology.


-Please elaborate on the progress because thus far you've provided nothing that dipicts or even implies no military action was warented or forbidden.



- True that you did not claim "no military action was called for" but you made yourself look like an idiot by implying it was an ILLEGAL WAR,....


Suck it up and take your medicine. How many more pages must you have your ass handed to you? I want this damn thing back on TOPIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The soldier deserves to be in the STOCKADE!!!!!!!!! Plain and simple. STOCKADE time!

Yes, and the Security Council convened on January 27 to hear Dr. Blix's assessment of Iraq's WMD declaration. He gave it a failing grade. Iraq made false statements and omissions, which automatically put it further into material breach by the terms of Paragraph 4.

Like I asked before, how many Paragraph 2 final chances was Iraq supposed to get before Paragraph 13's "serious consequences" were initiated?