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05-21-2008, 05:02 PM
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Iraq isn't an illegal war - President Bush acted under the authority given to him by the Congress. If Sgt. Chiroux is honestly acting under the dictates of his conscience, he ought to have the courage of his convictions and take his lumps like a man instead of trying to weasel out with some dubious quasi-legal argument.
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05-21-2008, 05:05 PM
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If they are going to try to use the UN then they are Illegal. Congress voted for what? Decleard war? No other proper procedures for a ongoing war have been coverd. US goverment is largly illegit too begin with. This kid is the least of the legal matter.
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05-21-2008, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by noneof yourbusiness
If they are going to try to use the UN then they are Illegal. Congress voted for what? Decleard war? No other proper procedures for a ongoing war have been coverd. US goverment is largly illegit too begin with. This kid is the least of the legal matter.
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Congress voted to give Bush all the power to do what he sees fit, hence it is perfectly legal.
Now you could say that congress copped out on this, and you would be right, but that doesn't make it illegal.
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05-21-2008, 05:11 PM
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Ahh when its isreali law then you can tell us all about Talumdic approved genocide..
The UN resolution doesnt giove authorized force. Congress is meaningless. The laws of the US/Isreali regime dont apply to world. The us signed treatise to obey international law. Trying to squeam out of it with the Ocngressional vote doesnt mean jack. NO other American guidelines have been the goverment is far from legitimite. I really dont give a shit what the Dictators say is legal. They arent legal.
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Everything you just said is total bullshit
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05-21-2008, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by noneof yourbusiness
If they are going to try to use the UN then they are Illegal. Congress voted for what? Decleard war? No other proper procedures for a ongoing war have been coverd. US goverment is largly illegit too begin with. This kid is the least of the legal matter.
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Congress voted to authorize the use of force consistent with upholding all relevant UN Security Council Resolutions pertaining to Iraq. Once Iraq was declared to be in material breach of the Gulf War ceasefire, as it was by Resolution 1441, then the original UN Authorization for use of force in the Gulf War (Resolution 678) once again became operative (as it was never revoked). In a nutshell, Bush was operating under the same UN authority as his father was in 1990-91.
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05-21-2008, 05:19 PM
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The us signed treatise to obey international law.
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So, if the UN says, America needs to give us 1 trillion dollars every year we have to abide by it?
Either the UN has ultimate power or it has NONE. Make up your damn mind.
Oh, and if the UN was given full power of law over this nation, we'd be disected into pieces and sold off over night!
Fact remains the UN is a worthless group that has never accomplished a damn thing. Furthermore, the UN would be bankrupt unable to pay their own electricity bill if not for the US.
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05-21-2008, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by noneof yourbusiness
Ahh when its isreali law then you can tell us all about Talumdic approved genocide..
The UN resolution doesnt giove authorized force. Congress is meaningless. The laws of the US/Isreali regime dont apply to world. The us signed treatise to obey international law. Trying to squeam out of it with the Ocngressional vote doesnt mean jack. NO other American guidelines have been the goverment is far from legitimite. I really dont give a shit what the Dictators say is legal. They arent legal.
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Fuck the UN they are more corrupt and full of shit than our politicians and they don't dictate our country.
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05-21-2008, 05:22 PM
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So you agree that the War is not "Illegal"...(and is not this much better than calling each other names?)...and that the Soldier has no real legal recourse but to honor his committment, or go to jail.
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I've not once said anything about the war being "illegal"...I've said it is sad that the military feels the need to maintain a force as they do and that I feel it is counterproductive (to paraphrase)...I have also addressed Tileman's bullshit statement...I've not called either of you any names that I recall, whereas I also recall both of you slinging insults and falsehoods toward me.
Our congress provided Bush the backing he needed to go to war...sadly, most thought they were providing him with a big stick that would be used as a threat and not in lieu of further diplomacy which he chose to circumvent...unfortunately.
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05-21-2008, 05:27 PM
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So, if the UN says, America needs to give us 1 trillion dollars every year we have to abide by it?
Either the UN has ultimate power or it has NONE. Make up your damn mind.
Oh, and if the UN was given full power of law over this nation, we'd be disected into pieces and sold off over night!
Fact remains the UN is a worthless group that has never accomplished a damn thing. Furthermore, the UN would be bankrupt unable to pay their own electricity bill if not for the US.
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The UN doesn't have ultimate power, Tileman... but it does have the weight of legitimacy in international conflicts. If the US invaded Iraq with Congressional approval but without UN authorization, then an argument could have been made that it was illegal because it violated US treaty commitments to adhere to the UN Charter.
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05-21-2008, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Cordelier
Congress voted to authorize the use of force consistent with upholding all relevant UN Security Council Resolutions pertaining to Iraq. Once Iraq was declared to be in material breach of the Gulf War ceasefire, as it was by Resolution 1441, then the original UN Authorization for use of force in the Gulf War (Resolution 678) once again became operative (as it was never revoked). In a nutshell, Bush was operating under the same UN authority as his father was in 1990-91.
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That resultion wasnt about a war. Cease fires dont justify another war.
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Good typing is not inteligent its dexiteritous.
Everything you just said is total bullshit
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