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05-21-2008, 03:50 PM
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All this wisdom coming from a person who thinks a Quiter is a Hero?...
At no time in History has a Hero EVER Quit.... thats Impossible to acheive Hero status by giving up!
So your credibility is flawed by that definition, so is anything else you percieve.
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Like Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Cindy Sheehan etc.
- DUH Why is it not too bright people who aren't afraid to show it flock to the republican/military side? |
05-21-2008, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Amazed
So you agree that the War is not "Illegal"...(and is not this much better than calling each other names?)...and that the Soldier has no real legal recourse but to honor his committment, or go to jail.
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Glad you pulled the argument back to this. The solider was claiming an "illegal" war as justification. Hate to tell him, but the war in Iraq is not "illegal". One can argue that it may be "immoral", but it certainly is not "illegal". |
05-21-2008, 03:57 PM
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Again, it takes real balls to accuse the boogeymen ("liberals") of ignoring evidence when there is a hard beaten trail of evidence pointing to the lack of WMD's prior to his claims that Bush was aware of.
This shows the dubious nature of the right wingers in here and how they depend on falsehoods and corruption as the backbone of their arguments. These people are comfortable with criminality. In fact, they depend on it and promote it.
And don't forget these phony UN resolution quoters are working for the same people who called the UN "irrelevant" and went to war unilaterally.
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Not one falsehood "cited" Jet. ALL truth, every bit of it. Why is it you feel that your "opinion" trumps facts? Personally, I think the UN should be disbanded and sent packing  But it does illustrate the hypocrisy of the Left...we don't NEED the UN to "authorize" a War. We are a Sovreign Nation and can make those decisions for ourselves.
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05-21-2008, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by TakuanSoho
Glad you pulled the argument back to this. The solider was claiming an "illegal" war as justification. Hate to tell him, but the war in Iraq is not "illegal". One can argue that it may be "immoral", but it certainly is not "illegal".
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Agreed. The Boy will either fight, or get a free ride to Kansas.
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05-21-2008, 04:02 PM
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Not one falsehood "cited" Jet.
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" We know where the weapons of mass destruction are and we will find them. "
Amazed - really - anyone can spout weak excuses like a child if they don't care about their credibility... |
05-21-2008, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Jetblast
" We know where the weapons of mass destruction are and we will find them. "
Amazed - really - anyone can spout weak excuses like a child if they don't care about their credibility...
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(smile) You have a contextual problem, don't you? Most Libs do. You were "discussing" "us" as in Conservative "Posters". Remember? Now, as to not finding the WMD, not finding is not the same as Iraq not having. Nobody but the blind disputes that they had them. Nobody knows where they went.
Now, as to why you feel your opinion disproves all facts?"
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05-21-2008, 04:09 PM
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Or possibly, he just doesn't believe in the war, and would prefer not to risk his life in it.
As far as the military being a "social program," they promote it that way. I never see an Army commercial that says, "Go Army. Possibly get Killed!"
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Your going in the military don't act like these people are that fucken stupid to believe they will never go to war or put their lives at risk. He can stand his ground for what ever reason he wants he is going to pay the price though. I give a crap if he don't believe in it or not he joined and now he has to buck up or get fucked up. Welcome to life
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05-21-2008, 04:11 PM
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Like Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Cindy Sheehan etc.
Sheehan in the same sentence with Ghandi and King? Let's talk about credibilty...lmao.
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05-21-2008, 04:31 PM
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Like Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Cindy Sheehan etc.
Sheehan in the same sentence with Ghandi and King? Let's talk about credibilty...lmao.
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OMG! I can't believe someone grouped Cindy Sheehan with the likes of Dr. King and Gandhi! How about we add Al Gore to make it an even split among those grouped? |
05-21-2008, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Jetblast
Like Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Cindy Sheehan etc.
- DUH Why is it not too bright people who aren't afraid to show it flock to the republican/military side?
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Gandhi.... Maybe, but in a much diferent context... Sheehan and Martin Luther King do not even fit the same description as a Simple Soldier refusing Duty.. King Quit because he got killed, Sheehan still lurks around out there in protest land...
Anyway, your examples are as bad as your concept of what a Hero is..
NO ONE Becomes a Hero by Quiting their avowed DUTY..
Now, to a certain segment of the population, Protest or quiting is admirable, but in the Real life the proven truth is that gets you Scorned, Dead, or in old England, Separated from your Head..
Heros Never Quit.. A real Man Never quits Honoring his Word, Handshake, or Signature... |
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