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05-19-2008, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by areyoushittin'me?
Morals should matter.
Agreed, yet stupid shit like going into Iraq is probably why they have a hard time meeting recruitment goals.
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Morals do matter, if he wants to put his morals over the contract he voluntarily signed, then he should accept the consequences. |
05-19-2008, 04:57 PM
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It accomplishes making sure that people follow through with their obligations, and that they have to think long and hard before renegging on them.
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I understand that but if the military is doing the "right" thing they shouldn't need such an incentive and I sure as hell wouldn't want someone covering my back simply because they were affraid of the consequences of their beliefs.
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05-19-2008, 05:00 PM
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Morals do matter, if he wants to put his morals over the contract he voluntarily signed, then he should accept the consequences.
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Sad that the military has to put such consequences into effect to overcome morality.
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05-19-2008, 05:04 PM
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I understand that but if the military is doing the "right" thing they shouldn't need such an incentive and I sure as hell wouldn't want someone covering my back simply because they were affraid of the consequences of their beliefs.
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The point is, that the rules are set up so that the soldier doesn't get a say in what is "right." If he wants to do what he thinks is right, he needs to pay a consequence. And, indeed, if doing what's right is so important to him, he'll gladly pay it.
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05-19-2008, 05:18 PM
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The point is, that the rules are set up so that the soldier doesn't get a say in what is "right." If he wants to do what he thinks is right, he needs to pay a consequence. And, indeed, if doing what's right is so important to him, he'll gladly pay it.
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Do you think a person could be morally against a war and and yet believe in defending a member of their family when threatened with death?
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05-19-2008, 05:22 PM
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Sad that the military has to put such consequences into effect to overcome morality.
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Nope, the military stated the rules up front, your boy was the one who decided to enter into the contract.
Again, don't like the rules, don't sign the contract. If you don't want to fight, don't sign a contract which requires you to fight.
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05-19-2008, 05:26 PM
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Do you think a person could be morally against a war and and yet believe in defending a member of their family when threatened with death?
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I do. I'm not sure about your point.....
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05-19-2008, 05:30 PM
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Nope, the military stated the rules up front, your boy was the one who decided to enter into the contract.
Again, don't like the rules, don't sign the contract. If you don't want to fight, don't sign a contract which requires you to fight.
Want to break the rules, prepare to pay the piper.
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There will always be those who want to change the Rules in midstream. Not the way it works. Morality has nothing to with it. |
05-19-2008, 05:31 PM
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Nope, the military stated the rules up front, your boy was the one who decided to enter into the contract.
Again, don't like the rules, don't sign the contract. If you don't want to fight, don't sign a contract which requires you to fight.
Want to break the rules, prepare to pay the piper.
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I already agreed with you regarding the rules...I'm just saying I think it is sad that they have to resort to such rules.
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05-19-2008, 05:32 PM
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I do. I'm not sure about your point.....
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My point is that the military does not agree with you.
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