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02-19-2006, 07:27 PM
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dim...says, "I know that there is a threat of terrorism but the reality is that we keep being told about these imminent attacks but very few have actually happened. Are you sure that this threat is as large as you think, or is this just another tactic employed by the US to maintain control."
You think maybe the wire taps have helped some or are you suggesting that we just absorb an attack now and then over the course of time. Please elaborate. The above also looks like more obfuscation-- in particular, the comment "employed by the US to maintain control"; what control?
Have you ever been tested for paranoia? Many conspiracy advocates suffer from the affliction. Some have even been know to have written books. So it is no disgrace if you do suffer from paranoia, but it should be treated. Has anyone ever suggested that maybe you are paranoid?
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02-19-2006, 07:38 PM
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dim says, "This is not a problem of religious fanaticism, it is deeper than that. It is all about power and control, and some individual's are determined to gain some power and an easy way for this to be achieved is to hide behind the cloak of religious beliefs."
Good point, so it is not the leaders, they are too smart to really believe in the hogwash. They are not religious fanatics, it is only the people who are the fanatics. I agree. We agree on something. Lets celebrate, but you have to believe people who can be convinced to be human bombs because they will go to heaven must be fanatics, or at least by western standards brainwashed beyond belief. Sort of makes me think of some of the far left in this country. I can't tell if they are just brainwashed or they just want some kind of power. I opt for brainwashed because they can't seem to get power.
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02-19-2006, 08:01 PM
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diemension you truly are able to articulate clearly your view and I am impressed and in agreement. The last 5 entries were fasinating to read.
I can tell when 25 is faced with reality or a good point he immediately reverts to a simplistic rant about right and left brain people with little understanding of the scientific theory behind it.
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02-19-2006, 09:34 PM
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Glad that we agreed on something at long last, but back to the problem.
One of the key features of the Middle East problem is the problems caused by the shambles we made after WWI and even more so after WWII. Where we seperated the region into makeshift countries and basically said you lot have to live there because you believe that, and you have to live there because you don't. Out of this came great resentment and has not been resolved since. You think that because actions are in the past they can just be forgotten about. NEWSFLASH! The world does not work that way, people do not work that way. How easy it must be for you to make such sweeping statements when you fail to have empathy for those that wish to rule over.
I wish it was as easy as having a blank sheet to start again. Actually that reminds me of an analogy that is a good place to start. (Think it was in the film I Heart Huckabees) Anyway, imagine holding up this blank sheet This sheet represents all of existence. This bit of the sheet is me, that bit over there is you, down there is Israel and over there is the middle east that bit represents chritianity that bit islam and finally over there is bunny rabbits, just because they are cute and the fact you say I'm fluffy haha.
Well what is the main piece of information you gather from this image? Any ideas? Does any of it look familiar or are you having real trouble trying to distinguish between one bit and another? That is because we are all the same, there is nothing different from any of us and the sooner we all realise this the better.
Anyway, I have digressed, back to the point of solutions before you go on about my right brain etc. My solution is to start with the Israel/Palestine problem, we have just allowed palestine to be an idependent state. This looks like a good idea but is probably flawed due to continuing existence of israel, which they all despise. So what we need to do is merge, israel palestine and say all or at least the western part of Jordon and call it something like The kindom of Jereuselam and Arabia (taken from and old map somewhere) and this new country allows all to live within its borders the same right to work and do the best for themselves, as well as worshipping which ever God they wish, and to be free to go, live and buy houses anywhere they wish. They could write some great 'decleration of coexistence' and together move forward to bigger and better things.
This new state should have no more power than necessary to maintain its borders and internally affairs. This would lead to an acceptance from other Arabic states and the chance for any refugees from any of these countries to go here and experience freedom.
All we need to do is convince the US, Israel, Palestine to give up any apirations of power or control and to get the Arab world to believe that this is a great idea. No problem!
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02-19-2006, 09:48 PM
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With all due respect, I really do think you are living in a dream world and it is personified by the last statement, to wit: "All we need to do is convince the US, Israel, Palestine to give up any apirations of power or control and to get the Arab world to believe that this is a great idea. No problem!"
Now that is not a plan, it is a statement of wishful thinking. It is not reality, especially the no problem part. I am laughing so much that I am rolling on the floor. You really do need to have a good day. Lots of luck. Bye, bye.
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02-19-2006, 10:28 PM
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It is called irony, if I have to explain that then you need lighten up. Can you not tell what is a light hearted twist to a seriously complex problem. Of course none of the parties would agree, that was my point. The problem seems to be that you are too linear.
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02-20-2006, 09:50 AM
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Hey, you didn't need to explain it, it spoke for itself. The fact that you now realize the complexity is a plus; but the real irony is on you. Of course you will always say you already knew it was complex in the extreme but then that begs the question? You know not what to do, yet you are a critic of everything that the Bush administration tries to do. You have no alternative. The true irony is the fact that the left has no plan for making the world better. They only critisize and pay lip service to making the world a better place. Essentially, they are bankrupt in thought and deed. Now that's irony, but thanks for the laugh. I really enjoyed that, "no problem". It was "hillaryous". I'm still laughing over that line and you are right, it is irony. That's what made it so funny, but you really need to get a life. QED
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02-20-2006, 01:09 PM
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25,
If gore had won in 2000 (oh yea he did win but Jeb bush swung the election in Florida) we would not have invaded iraq and would not be in the quagmire we are today. You are correct- no one repubs or dems have an exact solution to this mess created by Bush but just because he had made a colossal error of judgement and neither side has a perfect solution do we continue to support Bush? Now that being said, be clear that I think the invasion was wrong but I do not believe we should pull out. We have created more chaos and terroists then ever and civil war would break out and possibly a complete terrorists state. We need to stay and pay hundreds of billions to rebuild and train and it will probably never be a democracy just holding back the inevitable from our occupation. We cannot rebuild New Orleans w or invest in education ..we need to go further in debt to clean up after George.You see that has always happened for him and I am sure the american people will prevail and shortchange future generations to clean up after George.
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