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04-09-2008, 10:55 PM
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Assessing the Human Cost of Air Strikes in Iraq
This was a very good interview from yesterday...
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Assessing the Human Cost of Air Strikes in Iraq
Listen Now
Marc Garlasco
Marc Garlasco is the senior military analyst at Human Rights Watch. Courtesy of Marc Garlasco
April 8, 2008 · As chief of high-value targeting for the Pentagon, Marc Garlasco helped plan the targets of laser-guided bombs during the invasion of Iraq. Now a senior analyst with Human Rights Watch, he visits war zones where he assesses the damage being done to civilians by bombs and lobbies for greater deliberation in the use of air power. Garlasco has provided assessments for Human Rights Watch throughout the world, including Israel and Iraq.
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04-09-2008, 11:58 PM
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I have listen to about half so so far. Really good level headed stuff.
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04-10-2008, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by noneof yourbusiness
I have listen to about half so so far. Really good level headed stuff.
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Yep, doesn't get better than this guy...the ultimate 'insider'
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04-10-2008, 12:46 PM
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I fnieshed the entier thing. His comments confirm much of the things alrady stated. I paid particalur note to the talk of the sub intel scouring for ways to spin intel, the precneces of Newt Gingirchm, The civilain death toll limit and the fact that it had to be approved by the Rumsfeld or Bush. I dont think its an unfair assumption to say Rumsfled made most of theose descions and they were approved.
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Cussing out low class inbreds isnt uninteligent, its honest
Good typing is not inteligent its dexiteritous.
Everything you just said is total bullshit
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V8Ek...eature=related
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04-10-2008, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by noneof yourbusiness
I fnieshed the entier thing. His comments confirm much of the things alrady stated. I paid particalur note to the talk of the sub intel scouring for ways to spin intel, the precneces of Newt Gingirchm, The civilain death toll limit and the fact that it had to be approved by the Rumsfeld or Bush. I dont think its an unfair assumption to say Rumsfled made most of theose descions and they were approved.
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Would you please proofread your posts? I don't have the slightest idea what some of your sentences are supposed to say. I mean what the fuck are "civilains", "descions", "fnieshed", and "entier"?
Anywya, sinec you thhink this stuff is great, it must be anit-maerican drivle. I won't wayst my thyme.
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04-10-2008, 01:13 PM
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Remember that all this high tech shit doesn't work. You Can maybe estimate but never be all that accurate. This doesn't included artillery which is even more random. And other Direct Fire weapons that cause civilian death too.
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Everything you just said is total bullshit
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04-10-2008, 02:02 PM
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Thanks for the post "cats", I have read articles by Marc Garlasco before and I have always found him on target & bullshit-free and very clear with his information: I have also followed articles by Gen Cody who is (I believe) the Vice-Chief of Staff of the Army, and I also have found what he says to be on target & bullshit free with his information. I am glad to hear that you also found Garlasco informative.
I have sort of given up on the whole should we/should not we be in Iraq matter: it really does not much matter at this point; what matters is where do we go from here on out. Gen Cody in particular writes & speaks to the general status of our military at this time, and his assessment points out that each month we are in Iraq our military response option to other situations declines: (this man is scheduled to retire in June, so I guess he is more free to speak out)
I spent the time, and listened directly to Gen Petraeus as much as I could find broadcast: In short, I was very dissappointed with his very twisted & unclear presentations: I also know he is a 4-star general, and he was placed before the Congress by a difficult, arrogant, closed-minded & cowardly CIC: so personally I forgive the general, but I would have admired him had he stood up & ressigned from active duty, rather then allow himself to be manipulated by the politics.
[In a talk to the West Point cadets, Gen Patton once said something to the effect, "when an army commander accepts the position of command there can be but two end-points; either a victory, or a timely resignation from his command; otherwise he will trade in his stars for a cigar & political advance." To me it looks like Petraeus has choosen the "cigar & political advance" line of Patton's prediction.
Both the Congress & the President bear direct responsibility for the many disastors that these last 8 years of GWB/Cheney-&-group have brought down upon this country: neither deserve a free pass on their role in the last 8 years our government has fallen so far in to decline in a multitude of areas bot at home and abroad.
I hold John McCain & Hillary Clinton & my KY Senator Mitch McConnell directly responsible for their yes vote allowing any President the leeway to go to war without debate in Congress and at his own choosing; and for their continued apathy toward their oversight responsibilities, I hold each responsible & find them failing. Before this November I will know the vote of each of my representatives on this issue; and I will also evaluate my local politicos accordingly. There is little I can do, but what I can do, I will do. ....pjwky
Last edited by pjwky; 04-10-2008 at 02:07 PM.
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04-10-2008, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Super Patriot
Would you please proofread your posts? I don't have the slightest idea what some of your sentences are supposed to say. I mean what the fuck are "civilains", "descions", "fnieshed", and "entier"?
Anywya, sinec you thhink this stuff is great, it must be anit-maerican drivle. I won't wayst my thyme.
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Then dont waste your fuckign and post with your stupid fucking shit. I wold be mroe then happy for you to shut the fuck up
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Cussing out low class inbreds isnt uninteligent, its honest
Good typing is not inteligent its dexiteritous.
Everything you just said is total bullshit
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V8Ek...eature=related
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04-10-2008, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Super Patriot
Would you please proofread your posts? I don't have the slightest idea what some of your sentences are supposed to say. I mean what the fuck are "civilains", "descions", "fnieshed", and "entier"?
Anywya, sinec you thhink this stuff is great, it must be anit-maerican drivle. I won't wayst my thyme.
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Hahahahahahahahahaha
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04-11-2008, 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by pjwky
I hold John McCain & Hillary Clinton & my KY Senator Mitch McConnell directly responsible for their yes vote allowing any President the leeway to go to war without debate in Congress and at his own choosing; and for their continued apathy toward their oversight responsibilities, I hold each responsible & find them failing.
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Well, here is where is have always disagreed to a certain extent.
The 'authorization to go to war' if not stated as such in what Congress approved. They basically said, 'do what you need to in order for Saddam to comply and get in line with everything.' It was not a vote to invade and indiscriminately occupy Iraq. Now, the stupidity comes when all these great patriots we have elected then trusted George Bush to do the 'right thing.' He did not even want to invade at first...the 'decider' was then easily swayed by the likes of Cheney, Wolfowitz, and Feith. They trusted President "Mission Accomplished"...not a good guy to trust at all.
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