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Old 03-30-2008, 11:10 AM
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What happens to our security if cut and run from Iraq? The Viet Cong didn't have the ability to strike us in this country but radical Islamics do.
So do homegrown radicals.

Iraq has nothing to do with our security Rob. There are Islamic radicals in many places besides Iraq that we haven't sent our troops.

The Iraq debacle has made us less, not more secure, and continuing there will continue to erode our security.
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Old 03-30-2008, 11:37 AM
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Looks like Al-Sadr was intimidated by the Iraqi Govt. and the Iraqi police force.
I bet we do not see many articles on this coming from the left. Hehehe

Iraq's Sadr orders followers off streets - Yahoo! News

By Khaled Farhan 1 hour, 38 minutes ago

NAJAF, Iraq (Reuters) - Iraqi Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr called on his followers on Sunday to stop battling government forces after a week of fighting in Iraq's south and the capital threatened to spiral out of control.

The government immediately welcomed Sadr's statement, saying it would help the authorities impose security in Iraq.

A government crackdown on Sadr's followers in the southern oil port of Basra has sparked an explosion of violence that risks undoing recent improvements in Iraq's fragile security and jeopardizing U.S. plans to withdraw troops.

"Because of the religious responsibility, and to stop Iraqi blood being shed ... we call for an end to armed appearances in Basra and all other provinces," Sadr said in a statement given to journalists by his aides in the holy Shi'ite city of Najaf.

"Anyone carrying a weapon and targeting government institutions will not be one of us," the statement said.

Sadr also called on the government to stop "random illegal arrests" of his followers and to implement an amnesty law passed by Iraq's parliament in February to free prisoners.

Sadr's Mehdi Army militia have complained that Iraqi and U.S. forces have exploited a truce called by the cleric last August to make indiscriminate arrests. The U.S. military says it only targets those who have disobeyed Sadr's ceasefire.

Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki has ordered Shi'ite fighters in Basra to lay down their arms and has extended a 72-hour deadline until April 8 for them to turn over heavy and medium weapons in return for cash.

But a top aide to Sadr, Hazem al-Araji, said Mehdi Army fighters would not hand over their guns. He also said that Sadr's followers had received a guarantee from the government that it would end "random arrests" of Sadr followers.

"As the government of Iraq we welcome this statement," Maliki's spokesman, Ali al-Dabbagh, said in response to Sadr's comments. "We believe this will support the government of Iraq's efforts to impose security."

Maliki launched the military operation last Tuesday, vowing to reassert his government's control over Iraq's second city, which is dominated by various militias. So far only strongholds of Sadr's followers have been targeted.

The operation has sparked a furious backlash from Sadr's Mehdi Army, who believe Maliki and the Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council, his most powerful Shi'ite ally, are trying to crush them ahead of provincial elections due in October.

(Additional reporting by Waleed Ibrahim in Baghdad; Writing by Ross Colvin and Peter Graff; Editing by Samia Nakhoul)
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Looks like Al-Sadr was intimidated by the Iraqi Govt. and the Iraqi police force.
I bet we do not see many articles on this coming from the left. Hehehe

Iraq's Sadr orders followers off streets - Yahoo! News

By Khaled Farhan 1 hour, 38 minutes ago

NAJAF, Iraq (Reuters) - Iraqi Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr called on his followers on Sunday to stop battling government forces after a week of fighting in Iraq's south and the capital threatened to spiral out of control.

The government immediately welcomed Sadr's statement, saying it would help the authorities impose security in Iraq.

A government crackdown on Sadr's followers in the southern oil port of Basra has sparked an explosion of violence that risks undoing recent improvements in Iraq's fragile security and jeopardizing U.S. plans to withdraw troops.

"Because of the religious responsibility, and to stop Iraqi blood being shed ... we call for an end to armed appearances in Basra and all other provinces," Sadr said in a statement given to journalists by his aides in the holy Shi'ite city of Najaf.

"Anyone carrying a weapon and targeting government institutions will not be one of us," the statement said.

Sadr also called on the government to stop "random illegal arrests" of his followers and to implement an amnesty law passed by Iraq's parliament in February to free prisoners.

Sadr's Mehdi Army militia have complained that Iraqi and U.S. forces have exploited a truce called by the cleric last August to make indiscriminate arrests. The U.S. military says it only targets those who have disobeyed Sadr's ceasefire.

Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki has ordered Shi'ite fighters in Basra to lay down their arms and has extended a 72-hour deadline until April 8 for them to turn over heavy and medium weapons in return for cash.

But a top aide to Sadr, Hazem al-Araji, said Mehdi Army fighters would not hand over their guns. He also said that Sadr's followers had received a guarantee from the government that it would end "random arrests" of Sadr followers.

"As the government of Iraq we welcome this statement," Maliki's spokesman, Ali al-Dabbagh, said in response to Sadr's comments. "We believe this will support the government of Iraq's efforts to impose security."

Maliki launched the military operation last Tuesday, vowing to reassert his government's control over Iraq's second city, which is dominated by various militias. So far only strongholds of Sadr's followers have been targeted.

The operation has sparked a furious backlash from Sadr's Mehdi Army, who believe Maliki and the Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council, his most powerful Shi'ite ally, are trying to crush them ahead of provincial elections due in October.

(Additional reporting by Waleed Ibrahim in Baghdad; Writing by Ross Colvin and Peter Graff; Editing by Samia Nakhoul)
In the larger context of the Iraq debacle that means what?

It has been and continues to be a collosal failure.
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Old 03-30-2008, 12:47 PM
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CrankyYankee,

In the larger context of the Iraq debacle that means what?

It has been and continues to be a collosal failure.


I'm glad you mention the larger context of Iraq.
The Iraqi people turned against the Al Qaida and Iranian backed Militants several years ago, that's when Iraq was won!

The expected fighting in a small areas of Iraq are supposed to mean Iraq is a failure? You are joking, right? Are you just desperate because Liberals have been defeated in Iraq?

The letter will be delivered to President Bush at the White House today and published in a full page ad in USA Today.

"Just as we mourn for the victims of Saddam's regime, we also grieve for the Americans and Iraqis who were killed or injured during the liberation or by terrorists determined to hold us back," the letter reads. "We will honor those who have sacrificed for our freedom by building a new Iraq that lives in peace with the nations of the world, without fear of war, torture chambers or terrorism."
It concludes: "As Iraqis assume full sovereignty over our nation, we extend our hands in friendship and gratitude to the American people.

"The sacrifices your sons and daughters made for our liberation will never be forgotten. Without those brave young men and women, this day might never have come."

The letter was organized by the Iraq-America Friendship Alliance, or IAFA, a new coalition of Iraqi and American organizations and individuals "committed to fostering goodwill between the two nations, supporting Iraq's reconstruction and movement toward democracy and telling the untold story from Iraq."

The IAFA is a project of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, a non-partisan think tank focused on defeating terrorism and spreading democracy in partnership with Iraqi and American organizations

"This is an important time for Iraqis and Americans alike," said Janan Dakak, IAFA's director. "While there will be many difficulties ahead, Iraqis are determined to build a peaceful and democratic nation that joins the free world."

The IAFA plans to bring Iraqis to the United States to tell the story of Iraq's movement towards democracy and provide stories and images of the country's reconstruction.

The IAFA currently is sponsoring a speaking tour featuring Don North, a documentary filmmaker who produced "Remembering Saddam," an account of seven Iraqi men who had their hands removed by the former dictator.

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Iraq is but one front in the overall war on terror. American surrender there would embolden the terrorists our troops are fighting and throw the region into total chaos. Then consider the Iranians, just waiting in the wings to take the place over.

Why do people who call themselves Americans want this to happen?
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Old 03-30-2008, 02:52 PM
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Iraq is but one front in the overall war on terror. American surrender there would embolden the terrorists our troops are fighting and throw the region into total chaos. Then consider the Iranians, just waiting in the wings to take the place over.

Why do people who call themselves Americans want this to happen?
Because Liberals hate the freedoms in America and want to destroy them. Liberals need the help from ANY American enemy to make this happen!
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Winning takes time and only about 5 people on this place see that Iraq was part of the war on terror and still is and do not want to lose like the libs do. This thread was started by a limp wristed lib who has my name on a list of people he needs to ignore. Those who vote Mccain are casting a vote for winning and get it and libs dont get it.
Ignore the little lefty pubics. The Iraq war is just one part of the big picture. Incidentally, the Iraqis themselves just won a little internal war. They beat back the Shiites this week. Just one more nail in the coffins of the american left to derail us in defending the country.
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Well here we go again: Bush proclaims the "surge" is working, and everything is going well in Iraq: as to the effacacy of the "surge, Mission Accomplished"!

Its just that the entire country has again errupted into intense civil-war violence: the dirty little clerical terrorist al-Sadir has told his army "not to lay down their arms, until the occupiers have left Iraq". Some place, they have clerics with armies instead of congregations; and here we sit in the middle being shot at and hated by all sides.

Spinn it however, but we need to be out of there, and as quick as we can reasonably do so: or lets send 100,000 more troops, and take all the oil for ourselves: at least that would make some sense. ...pjwky
Al-Sadr calls off fighting amid airstrikes, crackdown - CNN.com
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What happens to our security if cut and run from Iraq? The Viet Cong didn't have the ability to strike us in this country but radical Islamics do.
Then the Govermetn should do something about that in America. To date they havent.
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Iraq is but one front in the overall war on terror. American surrender there would embolden the terrorists our troops are fighting and throw the region into total chaos. Then consider the Iranians, just waiting in the wings to take the place over.

Why do people who call themselves Americans want this to happen?
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