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Old 05-27-2008, 10:27 AM
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Because you cannot be successful in Iraq based on a politicians timetable, even if it is the Messiah Obama's timetable.
That's pretty funny considering the surge was all about setting a timetable for the politicians...and they've failed.
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Old 05-27-2008, 10:29 AM
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Actually, what will happen is if Obama gets in then all of the good which is isn't getting reported will all of a sudden start getting reported. It's so transparent and obvious, anyone can see that. Remember these words if that happens. All of a sudden Obama will get any and all credit for anything positive going on.
You give new meaning to what the term is, is...or isn't.

I can see why you are afraid of the power of Obama...hell, he controls the media.
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Old 05-27-2008, 10:47 AM
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There is so much stuff going on in Iraq that people don't know. Everyone is just pissed because the surge is working and things are getting better.
Libs don't want to admit it because it would go against everything they have said and believe. The only reason people believe it is not working is because they don't want to admit that Republicans were right.
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That's pretty funny considering the surge was all about setting a timetable for the politicians...and they've failed.
No, the surge was all about stemming the tide of rising sectarian violence and insurgency.
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I can see why you are afraid of the power of Obama...hell, he controls the media.
I heard that CNN is changing is name to ONN :-)

Watching CNN, NBC and of course MSNBC turn on the Clintons has been one of the more enjoying spectacles this election cycle.

I wonder what Hillary thinks of that "vast rightwing conspiracy" now :-)
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No, the surge was all about stemming the tide of rising sectarian violence and insurgency.
According to the "Fact Sheet: The New Way Forward in Iraq " issued by the White House, "the President's New Iraq Strategy Is Rooted In Six Fundamental Elements" as follow:

Let the Iraqis lead;
Help Iraqis protect the population;
Isolate extremists;
Create space for political progress;
Diversify political and economic efforts; and
Situate the strategy in a regional approach.

The US Government Accountability Office (GAO) reported on September 2, 2007 that the Iraqi government had only met three of the eighteen benchmarks created by the US Congress in June 2006, a success rate of only 16.67%.
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I heard that CNN is changing is name to ONN :-)

Watching CNN, NBC and of course MSNBC turn on the Clintons has been one of the more enjoying spectacles this election cycle.

I wonder what Hillary thinks of that "vast rightwing conspiracy" now :-)
Definately worth the price of admission.
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Old 05-27-2008, 12:10 PM
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According to the "Fact Sheet: The New Way Forward in Iraq " issued by the White House, "the President's New Iraq Strategy Is Rooted In Six Fundamental Elements" as follow:

Let the Iraqis lead;
Help Iraqis protect the population;
Isolate extremists;
Create space for political progress;
Diversify political and economic efforts; and
Situate the strategy in a regional approach.

The US Government Accountability Office (GAO) reported on September 2, 2007 that the Iraqi government had only met three of the eighteen benchmarks created by the US Congress in June 2006, a success rate of only 16.67%.
Bush consistently said no timetable....the timetable was a strongarm Democratic tactic that forced Bush's hand. The troop buildup was needed to curb the growing violence that would have been implemented regardless.
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Bush consistently said no timetable....
Yes he did.

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the timetable was a strongarm Democratic tactic that forced Bush's hand.
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The troop buildup was needed to curb the growing violence that would have been implemented regardless.
The troop buildup was needed to try and correct the situation we created by fucking up on two levels in the first place.

First, we shouldn't have gone into Iraq.

Secondly, since we did, we should have gone in with enough force to better control the situation.
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You give new meaning to what the term is, is...or isn't.

I can see why you are afraid of the power of Obama...hell, he controls the media.
Actually, the opposite. They control him. nice try, though.
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