"There is no war on terror"

You might want to notify survivors of 9-11 and the familes of the victims of this new and exciting fact.

Oh yeah, you also might want to notify our troops who are bravely fighting it while you sit in your darkened room, typing horseshit into a computer because it makes you feel important.

I also love how anyone with whom you disagree is automatically "stupid". What a lovely way to exchange ideas. I used to be that way, but I grew up.

Hillary is going to visit Iraq soon, she voted for the War so sh'e feels obligated to go see for herself. Once she gets Bill off of the Girls Gone Wild website she'll have the time. Hell, maybe she'll get laid, from what I hear Muhamed likes she-males...........

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All those articles did was put into context the misleading figures the media keeps shoveling. You did it yourself. There aren't 4,000 dead, the number is less than that. A sure way to identify a liberal anitwar extremist is to wait for them to always round numbers up or down. You are always drawn to the anti-american rhetoric. Tell me this, when you read an article that has a possitive slant to the war in Iraq, do you get a good feeling inside? Or do you immediately search for anything that refutes that article. In other words, are you open to good news in Iraq?
Here is the honest liberal question. If the UN found a mountain of WMDs in Iraq tomorrow, would you be glad? I'll wait for your answer.

No, they didn't; they (at least the one with the numbers) was blatently dishonest. There is a reason, cede, why he didn't provide you the x deaths per 100K for Iraq....because he would've came to the results that I showed you. In short, John Anderson was relying on your lack of math skills to try and make a false point.

OK cede, there are 3,990 US fatalities.....I was off by less than 0.3%....I think that is splitting hairs.
It depends on the article. The numbers that you posted I knew right away were bullshit and were painting a false picture of the situation there. When I read articles about stories regarding US soldiers and marines helping, working with, and befriending the Iraqis....I find those the most heart warming.
Yes, it just depends on the validity of the article.
I would be somewhat concerned....because if it was out there and waiting to be found, I would worry about who had recent access to it. From a "GWB" point of view, I wouldn't care. I never believed the potential WMDs were a good enough reason for this war in the first place.

Look, cede, you're not the first person to push these articles that claim that Iraq isn't violent; or that it is less violent than some American cities. And I have always found them to be stupid or dishonest. I'm sorry, but that is the way it is....and the numbers I computed above show exactly that. The thing is, cede, we have to honestly analyze this situation in Iraq...both the benefits and the negatives of our actions....and let's not kid ourselves by comparing Detroit to Baghdad. Because, we may have to face a similar situation in the future....and the correct decision at that time may very well depend on a correct understanding of the Iraqi situation right now.

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Thank you for answering. You misunderstand the reason I quoted the articles. The point was that the media can support their point of view with spin. I always look at what I read with a skeptical eye, everyone should. For instance, if I told you that my small home town had a 100% increase in murders in 2007 from 2006. 95% of readers would think things were completely out of control. Then what if I told you that there was only one murder in 2006.

As far as my "honest liberal" question. I nailed you to the wall on that one. You are a typical "hate Bush at all costs" liberal. Your first instinct was to rationalize a way to use it against Pres. Bush. What any "normal" American would think is that the US would be seen as exhonerated by the rest of the world. The war would be instantly legitimized and in turn Pres. Bush would be seen in a better light.

cede, I get very little of my information from the media. I very seldom watch the news and I can honestly say that I have not followed the presidential campaign at all....not one iota (well, except for shit I pick up on here). I'm a military analyst by trade....and that's what I rely on primarily when forming opinions.
You nailed me to the wall, huh? How do you figure? First of all, cede, I do not "hate" President Bush. I think he has been an absolutely awful president, but I don't hate the man. When he leaves office, I wish him and his family the best.

I guess I'm not "normal." I never bought the big and deliberate scare over the Iraqi WMDs. When I was in the Gulf in 1999-2000, no one was real sure what he had; I went through my series of Anthrax shots. We did know that Iraq was conventional weak and getting weaker. Honestly, in 2003, I thought that Iraq had some chemical WMDs...maybe left over from the 1980s. But....I didn't care. Why should I have? They never concerned me. I hate to tell you, cede...but WMDs have been around for a long, long time...it's old technology...and places like North Korea, Pakistan, Iran, and many others have them. Get use to it. The good news is that they are not easy to employ...especially for non-state actors. That's why I can only think of a small handful of attempted terrorist strikes using WMDs....and most failed.

You nailed nothing, my friend. I gave you an answer based on logic, not emotion....knowing that you were heading toward the vindication slant....which I see none of based on my views of the WMD boogey man in the first place. If you want to debate my logic, have at it. Anyway, I'm glad I was able to correct John Anderson's "analysis" for you.

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Somlia was a bad Idea
Bosnia was a bad Idea
Vietnam was fucking idiocy from Eisenhower through to the end.
Pananama was a crock of shit all teh way around
Greneda as barely worth it. I dont know how much danger those kids were really in anyway.
Eagle Claw is an example of partisan poltics and these redneck patritoic fucks pissing on Dead soldiers memorys and insulting them just to get a shot a president they dont like. It also was the few times where the "We dont negotiat with terroists" line rang true.

99.9 percent of Military action in the word by the US has been a bad idea. It doesnt matter what party is power or whos in the white house.

I dont see SN has much of a partisan fellow. This lib thing is pig fucker nonesnece. I hate everymotherfucer in DC. They are all sleezebags. I am rooting for Obama only because have a black president is poetic justice concidering the racial hatred Rrepublicans have. Irony is funny.

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Good typing is not inteligent its dexiteritous.

Everything you just said is total bullshit

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.


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The ironic part of an Obama candidacy is that it is going to tear the democratic party to pieces. The republicans don't hate Obama, there may be some fear there though.

Pig fucker...you should patent that one, NOYB...

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It is actually derived from a off color and dirty joke I once heard about a farmer a pair of boots and heard of hogs. The boot thing is common in jokes to get anials to hold still. But the punch line of this one was great.

I get so annoyed with people addicted to the "lib" Your one for statistics. You should gives a average of its use in posts. What would Be great to see how many words typical separate lib from lib in a sentence. I bet its less then 5 on average.

Pig fucker award goes to the most liberal use of the term "lib" by a poster.

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Good typing is not inteligent its dexiteritous.

Everything you just said is total bullshit

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.


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