Imagine if Bush had said:

"We are invading Iraq, to create available oil to the world particularly to oil pressed nations like Japan who historically have gone to world war to protect their oil supply. We protect it for them so they don't have to build a Navy and threaten the world again."

If Bush said that would you be happier?

Well, I would be a lot happier, because he wouldn't have got his fucking putrid oil war if he had been honest.

And yes, if we had implemented a national ENERGY policy several decades ago, we wouldn't be in Iraq right now....

Fucking pathetic and shortsighted, that is what I consider the legacy of our national oil policy.

But if he didn't invade Iraq then Japan's economy would have collapsed by now (Iranian restriction of Japanese oil supply) and thus the global economy would have collapsed.

Would you be happier living in a cardboard box?

But hey...4,400 soldiers wouldn't have died...guess that's a good thing right?

You're right - national energy policy is short sighted, because in the US the market finds solutions...this is not Communist Russia...the government doesn't answer problems but only creates them.

The market has not evolved a solution to oil....YET....so for the time being...we're forced to fight for it.

Maybe it would have collapsed (speculation), but yes, I would prefer to have the US soldiers (and the thousands of dead Iraqi's) home with their families.
I've been homeless in my youth. there are worse things. Such as killing others for money...which you seem to espouse.

"the market" is a human institution, not a natural one. The fact that you cannot fathom another way doesn't mean there isn't one. You are stuck seeing only one path, when there are many.

No, I put people BEFORE money and things. Apparently you do not.

No it WOULD have collapsed...in Nov. 2007 the Iranians nationalized Japanese oil sources forcing them to get their oil from where?

Iraq!

Iran is notorious for nationalizing other people's oil...(Japan built the infrastructure so why shouldn't they own the oil?)

Japan could not suffer an oil crisis - the US could...so why are we in Iraq? Well to secure other people's oil...so they don't have to....namely Japan.

I come from Viking stock...I as my family members have no quarrel in killing people for money - that's the way of the world...only now we've created a global economy where instead of raids we have hostile take overs, instead of armies we just put someone into ruin by debt and let them starve...

The world turns the same - just not so violently for the "Viking Raiders" of today.

The "market" is (I would argue) a natural institution the same way that humans did not "create" Physics...or Math.

Without humans there are no goods or services, no economy....

But the physical universe would remain.

Would it? Without humans there is theoretically nothing because as far as we know we're the only sentient beings - and existence is the result of living...not simply the act in of itself.

So ... without humans what is there?

We really don't need a religious/philosophical discussion here though the point is that economics has forces that humans do NOT create.

Which is why Command economies fail...because humans are trying to directly control something that is effected by forces that a human does not take into account...

I have Viking blood (along with almost everything else)
as well...

However, the viking world is thankfully one of the past.

Human nature has many facets, I would prefer our culture nourish the positive elements and not the negative.

Then you're going to get your ass kicked by all the Hitler's in the world...no your views are only available because people like me take up the slack.

as long as you recognize that we pay less for gas than most people

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