It is now 2008, this has been going on for years, evidently pro-Iraq invasion people such as yourself don't realize Western culture has been using day by day/year by year calenders for a long time. This is not overnight Mr. Nihilist, when you wake up in the morning it is not 'day one.' There is a great deal of history now and it started in 2003---I count five years, how 'bout you?

The BOTTOM LINE is that there WILL be a democrat as president. Complete with the DEMOCRAT controlled house and senate. So all you republicunts can quit your crying now and watch history repeat itself ONCE AGAIN when a democrat has to mop up the mess the republicans made of America.

The republicunt party is over. So long idiots.

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Badmutha,

30 Second wars? Are you kidding me? Like Cats said it's been 5 years. And if you recall the promises of your idiot in in charge, we were not going to take this long. Remember? There were also promises that in no way were we ever going to have to worry about a recession. Um - lied.

And my point about other nations pulling out is that yes, fighting has stopped because troops have left. hmmm. imagine that, see that's common sense - something your village idiot doesn't have.

Gee five whole years in a 5000 year old culture?

And your point?

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AMERICA LAND OF THE FREE HOME OF THE BRAVE--BECAUSE OF OUR CONSTITUTION.

Well tell me cat--and your defeat invested ilk--what is the appropriate amount of time required to create a functioning free democracy? In a country and in a culture that has never tasted freedom--how long should it take? Going by your expert calender calculations--its been 5 years too long--so what year did we pass your mandated timeline for defeat and retreat? What year was it you deemed that freedom was taking "too long"?

What media? The media rarely tells the truth??

You have a strange way of totally misinterpreting everything to fit your myopic view of the world.

You have just named the reason why Iraq is going to fall into disaster after the U.S. leaves...it is the history. They will be no better off from when Saddam was there or at anytime before. Democracies are built from within by the people on the ground; they drive the train on this. The people on the ground in Iraq have been divided into three very strong sectarian groups and will stay that way---this trumps Democracy any day of the week and those sects will and are dividing again which leaves no Democracy. No Western outsider can go in and wave a magic wand and create Democracy---did Reagan create a Democracy in Russia?...uh no, and they are not divided by Muslim sects like Iraq which complicates this even further.

All this has zero to do with your jingoistic BS comments about 'invested in defeat.' If this is all you have then you retain a really lousy understanding of world history. The problem lies in the history itself and it will not take 5 or 10 or 50 years...this is doomed to be a sectarian state that is not ruled by Democratic leadership. What did ten years of occupation in Vietnam create? Well, not one but THREE Communist states in Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos through our complete misunderstanding of the situation and the culture...and all three places did have a choice but the U.S. tries to export Democracy in the wrong way…Cambodia especially, they had a very thriving Monarchy before we moved in…we REALLY f’cked that country up (Nixon and Kissinger are truly responsible there).

Ahmed Chalabi has always been the mastermind behind this ‘Iraq, the Democracy' thing, and it did not come from the people in Iraq. Chalabi has be dying to be the leader in Iraq and the Bush people have been willing to put this guy in place...hmmm, the former Oil Minister for Iraq...get it? Chalabi has been the main disinformation guy to get the invasion going and is still behind the scenes waiting to be the Iraqi president...he works closely with Bush and Cheney. This has zero to do with Democracy in Iraq, it has to do with putting a leader that is of the approval of Bush and certain Americans who want the oil in Iraq along with more control in the ME. Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia were all de-stabilized and then Americans tried to put someone in place under the justification of American Democracy for all. This is no different in Iraq...it will be the same problem in the end. There was just as much ‘progress’ being made in Vietnam before we left, try to understand the history you know nothing about.

Please bone up on your history before making any more dead end statements about 'invested in defeat.' It is stupid and does not mean anything.

Yeah man that's all we need. A bunch of politically correct socialists, who are running an ambulance chaser (Edwards), a well spoken black man (Osama, i mean obama), and a woman who has accomplished zero in her life. Wow, we are saved!!