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12-24-2007, 03:20 PM
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Kurdish Regional President Warns Turkey against further attacks
Iraqi Kurdish regional president warns Turkey - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com
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BAGHDAD - Iraq's Kurdish regional president warned neighboring Turkey on Monday that he was losing patience with its repeated bombing raids against rebel positions in the north, but acknowledged there was little he could do to stop them.
Massoud Barzani said his people "cannot accept" the bombing raids and shelling to continue and condemned the attacks which began on Dec. 16. On Sunday, Turkish fighter jets bombed Kurdish rebel targets inside Iraqi territory, in the fourth cross-border operation against the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, in one week.
"We cannot accept this situation to continue," Barzani told reporters in the northern city of Sulaimaniyah. "We cannot accept our villages to be bombed and our people killed."
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So what's up here ? How can anyone deny Bush's ulterior motive in Iraq was oil and bilking the US money? I mean, Bush gives Turkey plans on where the Kurds are..the Kurds Saddam gassed....so that makes Bush just like Saddam and the Iraqis no better off and it makes Bush and imperialist after oil...how can anyone deny this?
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12-24-2007, 11:29 PM
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It seems to me that if we had gone into Iraq just for oil, why did we not just announce to the world after we conquered/liberated, whatever, the country; that from then on, we would pay the going market price for oil, but all Iraqi oil would only go to the United States and our allies?
The fact is that Iraqi oil is bargained for on the open market by all the nations of the world and recently, the biggest purchase was made by Japan.
Had we gone into Iraq merely for oil, and not secured it for our markets alone, there would be global recriminations. As it is, we compete for it right along with everyone else.
Therefore, it striked me that going into Iraq just for oil sounds to partisan to be plausible and is counterproductive to proving any related point.
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12-25-2007, 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Centurion
It seems to me that if we had gone into Iraq just for oil, why did we not just announce to the world after we conquered/liberated, whatever, the country; that from then on, we would pay the going market price for oil, but all Iraqi oil would only go to the United States and our allies?
The fact is that Iraqi oil is bargained for on the open market by all the nations of the world and recently, the biggest purchase was made by Japan.
Had we gone into Iraq merely for oil, and not secured it for our markets alone, there would be global recriminations. As it is, we compete for it right along with everyone else.
Therefore, it striked me that going into Iraq just for oil sounds to partisan to be plausible and is counterproductive to proving any related point.
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AS I've come to understand it underneath all the political justifications we went to war in essence because Saddam was not playing the OPEC game. All the other OPEC nations as an international cartel generally work in unison when it comes to turning on & off the oil spigot. Saddam was turning them on & off as he desired. Usually in reaction to the policies of the U.S. & Israel at the time. Ad to that his public comment & determination to go to the EURO after the sanctions were lifted & the Oil industry with their 'men' in the white house were determined to get him out & get that oil spigot under the international cartel. They were also dammed sure not to allow Saddam to split the currencies value further by having the worlds second largest oil reserve selling under the EURO currency.
In essence they have succeeded.
Remember much of the technical knowhow & refineries are ran by corporations from 3 national countries. The United States, Great Britain & Shell. Yes you can argue that Venezuela is a player in this but the biggest boys are really just the American & British companies. (yes I know Shell is Dutch, they mostly control Nigeria & they quietly play along & don't have as much control or investment in the refinery infrastructure as Exxon & BPAmaco.) When the Venezuelan oil industry was taken over by Chavez there was real concern that he'd pull the same spigot game as Saddam but in that gamesmanship he has not, he's been pretty smart about staying with the collective mandates of the cartel. The same goes for Iran.
No in essence it was about oil, not direct control & not cheap oil but about insuring that the monopoly of the oil cartel is not broken.
That IS the game.
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12-27-2007, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Cookie Parker
Iraqi Kurdish regional president warns Turkey - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com
So what's up here ? How can anyone deny Bush's ulterior motive in Iraq was oil and bilking the US money? I mean, Bush gives Turkey plans on where the Kurds are..the Kurds Saddam gassed....so that makes Bush just like Saddam and the Iraqis no better off and it makes Bush and imperialist after oil...how can anyone deny this?
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Turky isnt cooperating as well as we would have liked but you cant blame bush. Turkey was doing just fine untill Nanci Pelocy tried to accuse them of genocide in the early 1900's. Ever since then its been down hill. But dont blame bush for that! When democrats are meddeling around in forghin affared in an effort to make this war harder on our troops we have a problem! If the democrats make the mission harder than it allready is it in no way shape or form makes this mission any less vital.
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12-27-2007, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by crowonapost
AS I've come to understand it underneath all the political justifications we went to war in essence because Saddam was not playing the OPEC game. All the other OPEC nations as an international cartel generally work in unison when it comes to turning on & off the oil spigot. Saddam was turning them on & off as he desired. Usually in reaction to the policies of the U.S. & Israel at the time. Ad to that his public comment & determination to go to the EURO after the sanctions were lifted & the Oil industry with their 'men' in the white house were determined to get him out & get that oil spigot under the international cartel. They were also dammed sure not to allow Saddam to split the currencies value further by having the worlds second largest oil reserve selling under the EURO currency.
In essence they have succeeded.
Remember much of the technical knowhow & refineries are ran by corporations from 3 national countries. The United States, Great Britain & Shell. Yes you can argue that Venezuela is a player in this but the biggest boys are really just the American & British companies. (yes I know Shell is Dutch, they mostly control Nigeria & they quietly play along & don't have as much control or investment in the refinery infrastructure as Exxon & BPAmaco.) When the Venezuelan oil industry was taken over by Chavez there was real concern that he'd pull the same spigot game as Saddam but in that gamesmanship he has not, he's been pretty smart about staying with the collective mandates of the cartel. The same goes for Iran.
No in essence it was about oil, not direct control & not cheap oil but about insuring that the monopoly of the oil cartel is not broken.
That IS the game.
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being as the oil industry is enjoying record profits, the desired results seem to have been achieved...
Eventually all games come to an end and a new one begins....
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12-27-2007, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by CrankyYankee
being as the oil industry is enjoying record profits, the desired results seem to have been achieved...
Eventually all games come to an end and a new one begins....
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Yup on both statements.
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