In Iraq's success, Bush's vindication

noneof yourbusiness · #11 (**permalink**) 01-08-2008, 08:50 PM

If the sects that are in conflict in Iraq make a lasting peace then they deserve credit for civilizing themselves. Force of arms and government dictation never bend the strong willed man. Ask some guys named Jefferson, Adams, Washington, and Franklin.

Cookie Parker · #12 (**permalink**) 01-09-2008, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by steve k

It actually is not a false statement because you are going under the pretense that the surge started in the begining of 2007 which it obviously did not. I didn't start until the middle of the year so for the first half of 2007 you had the same failed policies that were going on.

The Surge Begins!! Shhh! - Early Warning

Nah...we began in January 2007....

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The first of 3,200 soldiers from the 2nd Brigade of the 82nd Airborne Division began arriving in Baghdad last week, an event that somehow the Washington Post and New York Times thought not worthy of reporting until this morning (and even then, no headline, no lead.)

I hardly ever comment on what the media writes, being a member of the mainstream media myself and too intent on actually figuring out what the government is up to than in taking the easy and narcissistic path of media "analysis" or bashing.

But when a friend sent me the military statement that the first troops had begun arriving, I found it curious that the only weekend mention I could find - and even here it was buried - was in the Los Angeles Times.

So far so good, Gen. Casey says. What is it that he is seeing that we aren't?

By William M. Arkin | January 22, 2007; 8:27 AM ET Iraq

Finally, it seems odd to me that Democrats who have actually gone over there and have seen the results of the surge firsthand have had to (reluctantly) compliment the success of our troops and General Patreaus seem to know less than you - according to you. The 3 million people you speak of seems a bit high.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iraq refugee summit offers help

Over two million actually have fled the country....

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Iraq refugee summit offers help
Iraqi refugees at a camp in Syria - file photo
Syria hosts the largest number of Iraqi refugees
An international conference in Jordan on the more than two million Iraqi refugees uprooted by war has pledged to help them with their difficulties.

But it insisted the solution to the problem lay in their return home and that the Iraqi government was directly responsible for its displaced citizens.

The UN refugee agency, UNHCR, said some 50,000 more Iraqis were escaping the violence in their homeland each month.

Most are ending up in Jordan and Syria, which want help to ease the burden.

The UNHCR said the wave of displacement sparked by the war in Iraq was the biggest in the Middle East since 1948, when hundreds of thousands of Palestinians fled the newly created Israel.

We've killed over a million Iraqis...

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September 14, 2007
BAGHDAD -- -- A car bomb blew up in the capital's Shiite Muslim neighborhood of Sadr City on Thursday, killing at least four people, as a new survey suggested that the civilian death toll from the war could be more than 1 million.

The figure from ORB, a British polling agency that has conducted several surveys in Iraq, followed statements this week from the U.S. military defending itself against accusations it was trying to play down Iraqi deaths to make its strategy appear successful.

The military has said civilian deaths from sectarian violence have fallen more than 55% since President Bush sent an additional 28,500 troops to Iraq this year, but it does not provide specific numbers.

According to the ORB poll, a survey of 1,461 adults suggested that the total number slain during more than four years of war was more than 1.2 million.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/24/wo...gewanted=print

Here, the surge is said to have begun in February...and here are the Iraqis who have left Baghdad since February and the increased surge...

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BAGHDAD, Aug. 23 — The number of Iraqis fleeing their homes has soared since the American troop increase began in February, according to data from two humanitarian groups, accelerating the partition of the country into sectarian enclaves.

Despite some evidence that the troop buildup has improved security in certain areas, sectarian violence continues and American-led operations have brought new fighting, driving fearful Iraqis from their homes at much higher rates than before the tens of thousands of additional troops arrived, the studies show.

The data track what are known as internally displaced Iraqis: those who have been driven from their neighborhoods and seek refuge elsewhere in the country rather than fleeing across the border. The effect of this vast migration is to drain religiously mixed areas in the center of Iraq, sending Shiite refugees toward the overwhelmingly Shiite areas to the south and Sunnis toward majority Sunni regions to the west and north.

Though most displaced Iraqis say they would like to return, there is little prospect of their doing so. One Sunni Arab who had been driven out of the Baghdad neighborhood of southern Dora by Shiite snipers said she doubted that her family would ever return, buildup or no buildup.

“There is no way we would go back,” said the woman, 26, who gave her name only as Aswaidi. “It is a city of ghosts. The only people left there are terrorists.”

Statistics collected by one of the two humanitarian groups, the Iraqi Red Crescent Organization, indicate that the total number of internally displaced Iraqis has more than doubled, to 1.1 million from 499,000, since the buildup started in February.

Those figures are broadly consistent with data compiled by an independent agency that specializes in tracking wide-scale dislocations. That agency, the International Organization for Migration, found that in recent months the rate of displacement in Baghdad, where the buildup is focused, had increased by as much as a factor of 20, although part of that rise could have stemmed from improved monitoring of displaced Iraqis by the government in Baghdad, the capital.

Between those in other nations, over 2 million, those who have been killed since 2003, over one million, and those who have fled Baghdad since the Jan/Feb 2007 surge, over one million, there has been quite a reduction in population in the surge area

Where are those statistics coming from?

That's where I get my stats from the civilian population of the area..let's look at the military next...

Cookie Parker · #13 (**permalink**) 01-09-2008, 05:11 AM

Even before a lot of the surge began, insurgents were leaving the area....

IRAQ THE MODEL

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We talked earlier about insurgents and terrorists fleeing Baghdad to Diyala, and today there's another report about a similar migration, from al-Sabah:

Eyewitnesses in some volatile areas said that large numbers of militants have fled to Syria to avoid being trapped in the incoming security operations.
According to those witnesses, residents and shopkeepers are no longer concerned about militants whose existence in public used to bring on clashes that put the lives of civilians in danger.
A shopkeeper in al-Karkh [western Baghdad] said that many of them [militants] packed their stuff and headed to Syria to wait and see what the operations are going to be like.
While experts consider this a failure in protecting the plan's secrecy which might lead to the loss of the surprise factor, they also say it indicates the seriousness and resolve in this plan that is already scaring away the militants. PM Maliki pointed out that seeing them run away is a good thing but he returned and said the security forces would chase them down everywhere after Baghdad is clear.

newsobserver.com | Insurgents flee Baghdad security crackdown

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Lauren Frayer, The Associated Press
BAQUBAH, IRAQ - Sunni insurgents have been streaming out of Baghdad to escape the security crackdown, carrying the fight to neighboring Diyala province, where direct fire attacks on Americans have nearly doubled since last summer, U.S. soldiers say.

That has led to sharp fighting only 35 miles north of the capital in a province known as "Little Iraq" because of its near-equal mix of Sunni and Shiite Arabs as well as Kurds -- the country's three major groups. At stake is a region that extends from the northeastern gates of Baghdad to the border with Iran.

"I was here in 2004, and I don't remember them ever attacking tanks in open daylight, but now that's exactly what they're doing," said Capt. Paul Carlock, 31, of Chattanooga, Tenn., a company commander in the Army's 1st Battalion, 12th Cavalry Regiment. "There's a big Sunni influx here, and in the last month or so it's been pretty violent. They're getting more aggressive and changing tactics."

Some U.S. officers suspect the publicity for the Baghdad security plan may have encouraged extremists, both Sunnis and Shiites, to flee the capital for surrounding provinces, including Diyala, where fewer U.S. troops are stationed.

Now, stevek, this war is a progression of events. Even I remember these details as they unfolded....so if you want truth in reporting, gather all the data and historically look at this war...when you have fewer people in an area, and a greater death toll in the war....your "surge", or military plan, is NOT a success....

Cookie Parker · #14 (**permalink**) 01-09-2008, 05:13 AM

As to the democrats going over there, they are trying to win a presidency in 2008...hardly going to slam down an entire war and alienate those who are through with Bush...

ONEWHITEDUCK · #15 (**permalink**) 01-09-2008, 10:49 AM

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